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Old Feb 17, 2009 | 08:57 PM
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Hey GatorLCA, have you tried sending some pictures to Karman and ask their opinion? Thay are usually fairly responsive and may be willing to give us an idea on how to keep this from happening and a repair process if it does.
 
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Old Feb 17, 2009 | 09:05 PM
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Originally Posted by PAULW
Hey GatorLCA, have you tried sending some pictures to Karman and ask their opinion? Thay are usually fairly responsive and may be willing to give us an idea on how to keep this from happening and a repair process if it does.

Chances are if you send them a little note about your problem they will respond in a couple days with a phone call. Several months ago I sent a note asking about our wipers and then received a call from one of their represenatives to answer the question personally. Now thats customer service.
 
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Old Feb 20, 2009 | 02:45 PM
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My 2005 top seperated about a year ago. I had purchased an extended warranty for the car and it was fixed for FREE (Potamkin Chrysler in Miami, FL). The new top is $1,700, plus installation. There doesn't seem to be a way to reattach the old glass to the fabric.

The funny part is when I took it in to the dealership, I pulled in right behind another Xfire with, guess what...the window falling out! The service guy comes out and says "Can I help you?" and I said "Yes, I'll have what he's having!" I asked him how many has he seen and he said about I was the 5th in the last three months. I'd say that is a factory defect!

I had seen other posts from people in Florida who had this same problem so your comment about warm weather having a negative impact might be right on.

Jim Borgmann
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Old Feb 20, 2009 | 03:01 PM
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Originally Posted by JGatormann
My 2005 top seperated about a year ago. I had purchased an extended warranty for the car and it was fixed for FREE (Potamkin Chrysler in Miami, FL). The new top is $1,700, plus installation. There doesn't seem to be a way to reattach the old glass to the fabric.

The funny part is when I took it in to the dealership, I pulled in right behind another Xfire with, guess what...the window falling out! The service guy comes out and says "Can I help you?" and I said "Yes, I'll have what he's having!" I asked him how many has he seen and he said about I was the 5th in the last three months. I'd say that is a factory defect!

I had seen other posts from people in Florida who had this same problem so your comment about warm weather having a negative impact might be right on.

Jim Borgmann
Miami Springs, FL
And you have been a forum member for about the same as me and you have only made 3 posts. Hmmm.... Just a happy bystander!
 
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Old Feb 20, 2009 | 09:07 PM
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I bought one of the quick top covers that was mentioned before for my roadster. The company is California Pop Tops LLC. I ordered mine by phone at 866-461-2141 cost about $60 shipping included. Easy to order and shipped same day. Haven't used it in the summer yet but they claim to eliminate solar heat build up inside the car. Check them out at californiapoptops.com. once you get the process down installation is quick and it stores in it's own pouch to about the size of a football.
 
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Old Feb 21, 2009 | 06:19 PM
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Originally Posted by GatorLCA
Here's how bad mine is at the moment. Need to use a roll of duct tape to prop it up so no water comes in it and the weight of the glass doesn't make it worse. It wasn't so bad until I put the top down after I noticed the separation. i think though, after the one side separated it allowed some slack on the other side so it might not be as tight. Warm weather or not, it shouldn't be doing this.

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My top looked identical to Gators right down to the roll of duct tape. From my research I found the only real way of fixing the glass problem was to get a new top. Living in south FL and believing that our very hot summers contribute to the separation of glass and top, I found a great upholsterer and had him sew a plastic window in. The way I look at it I never used the rear defogger so will not miss it and for the price I can have 3 more windows sewn in before I spend more than the $1700 for a replacement top. Not only is it functional it looks fine and should last at least a few years..... maybe more.
 
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Old Feb 22, 2009 | 01:09 AM
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Originally Posted by x fire ron
My top looked identical to Gators right down to the roll of duct tape. From my research I found the only real way of fixing the glass problem was to get a new top. Living in south FL and believing that our very hot summers contribute to the separation of glass and top, I found a great upholsterer and had him sew a plastic window in. The way I look at it I never used the rear defogger so will not miss it and for the price I can have 3 more windows sewn in before I spend more than the $1700 for a replacement top. Not only is it functional it looks fine and should last at least a few years..... maybe more.
Could you post a picture of your top (inside and out) with the window sewn in. I would like to see how it looks.
 
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Old Feb 22, 2009 | 08:31 AM
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Originally Posted by tdannar
Could you post a picture of your top (inside and out) with the window sewn in. I would like to see how it looks.
Ditto. I'm sure all want to see.
 
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Old Feb 22, 2009 | 08:12 PM
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Will be glad to post some pics. They will be up next weekend at the latest. I have had this plastic in place for quite a few months now at it looks perfect. I'm really sorry I tried all kinds of adhesives before I thought of the plastic as I have some marks on my top from my attempts. I'm still trying to clean that up.
 
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Old Apr 23, 2009 | 05:00 PM
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well im bying some 3m glue and trying it , mine is 3/4 off ill let ya know jimmy
 
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Old Apr 23, 2009 | 05:57 PM
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I just put some JB Weld 2 part epoxy on bottom part of the window tonight (the rattle at high speed was driving me nuts even with the duct tape propping the window up). I"m letting cure overnight so we'll see how it holds up. Hard to say for sure since most of the stress seems to come while the top is in motion of going down and while it sits when the top is down
 
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Old Apr 24, 2009 | 11:13 AM
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Originally Posted by x fire ron
Will be glad to post some pics. They will be up next weekend at the latest. I have had this plastic in place for quite a few months now at it looks perfect. I'm really sorry I tried all kinds of adhesives before I thought of the plastic as I have some marks on my top from my attempts. I'm still trying to clean that up.
Where are your pictures?
 
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Old Apr 27, 2009 | 05:31 PM
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Hi guys..... Sorry about the delay on getting these pics to the forum. I'm still happy with my choice of the plastic. The window is holding up just fine and still looks great.

 
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Old Apr 27, 2009 | 11:12 PM
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Thank you for posting!

You are right. It looks pretty good and provides an option to those that have the glass separation problem. Too bad about getting the adhesive along the edges....

 
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Old Apr 28, 2009 | 08:33 PM
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Yes that adhesive was a mistake as the glass is too heavy and there is too much movement in the actions of raising and lowering the top. I hope others learn from my mistake on this one. I'm going to try some boat canvas shops in Lauderdale to see if they have a remedy. If I find one I'll pass it along....


 
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Old May 1, 2009 | 06:53 AM
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Originally Posted by ws6vert
It seems some have had the glass seperate from the tops. I am curious does anyone have any opinons on what may have caused this problem. Thankfully mine is ok.
just to be safe i never ever, use my rear window defogger. that is a nasty amount of heat right were the problem seems to be.
 

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Old May 1, 2009 | 11:24 AM
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I see15 year old f bodies that have not had this problem..Chrysler should address it since they now have our tax money
 
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Old May 2, 2009 | 01:14 PM
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I took my SRT6 Roadster to Dallas Dodge for several issues (warranty runs out June) and the window separating from the top on the driver side was one of the problems. The service writer was not surprised at all to see the problem and acknowledged that it is common. I just got it back yesterday.

For the top, they sent it out to a Trim Shop that specializes in convertibles. They resealed the window with a heat curing, silicone base sealant. I was able to figure out who the shop was from my receipt and gave them a call, since others have had less than great results from this type of repair.

The fellow I spoke with told me that hey have repaired at least a dozen Crossfire Roadsters with this problem in the last 3 years and have only had to take a second pass at one as far as he could recall. Maybe the problem is repairable if done in this way. I will be watching the window/seal area like a hawk for any further separation.
 
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Old May 3, 2009 | 08:27 AM
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Hey KJKnowles , Who was the shop in Dallas that did the work?
 
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Old May 3, 2009 | 12:31 PM
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Hey KJKnowles , Who was the shop in Dallas that did the work?
BLH Custom Auto Trim, on Jupiter Road.
 
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