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Old Aug 17, 2010 | 08:09 PM
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My 2006 Roadster Limited has the electric driver and passengers seats. Suddenly (and intermittently) my seat controls will only work if the driver's door is open! Key on, key off, engine on/off...doesn't matter. Seat controls won't work unless I stop and open the door. Of course when I took it to Chrysler today it didn't work all the way there. When the tech got in later to drive it into the shop, it works. Bet when I pick it up it will start working again. Anyone ever hear of that problem?
 
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Old Oct 4, 2010 | 04:21 AM
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Mine just started doing the same thing. Very intermittent. Did you have any luck figuring this out. Thanks
 
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Old Oct 4, 2010 | 09:07 AM
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No, it will stop for days at a time but every time I take it to the shop it starts working again. I did see in a different thread someone in UK had the same problem and they replaced the power seat relay and that fixed it. My dealer won't do that unless he can see that it isn't working.

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Mine just started doing the same thing. Very intermittent. Did you have any luck figuring this out. Thanks
 
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Old Oct 4, 2010 | 09:34 AM
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Not to sound like a jerk because I really feel your pain! But that is why I preferred the base coupe when I bought my car. I wanted cloth because my experience with leather is that it cracks in TX heat. Cloth just seems to last longer if taken care of properly (which I do). I also didn't want electric seats for the exact same reason you are describing. Just another expensive electronic thing to fail. Plus I wanted a black exterior anyway so the base coupe was a better fit for me.

The more electronic gadgets on cars, the more likely to break! Nothing beats doing it the old fashion way. It is not worth the trouble so I would rather just lift a lever than push a button.
 

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Old Oct 4, 2010 | 09:59 AM
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Yeah, that's what my Grandpa said back in the day. After all, it's "only a car", right? (Wrong) And when I bought my Corvette in high school my Dad said, "Why do you get a stick shift when they spent millions inventing an automatic transmission!?". lol If you have to ask, you just don't get it.

We looked at lots of plain-jane base models too. I just wasn't looking for that.

Of course, there's never anything wrong with base models or simplicity...if that's what you like.

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Not to sound like a jerk because I really feel your pain! But that is why I preferred the base coupe when I bought my car. I wanted cloth because my experience with leather is that it cracks in TX heat. Cloth just seems to last longer if taken care of properly (which I do). I also didn't want electric seats for the exact same reason you are describing. Just another expensive electronic thing to fail. Plus I wanted a black exterior anyway so the base coupe was a better fit for me.

The more electronic gadgets on cars, the more likely to break! Nothing beats doing it the old fashion way. It is not worth the trouble so I would rather just lift a lever than push a button.
 
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Old Oct 4, 2010 | 10:48 AM
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Yeah, that's what my Grandpa said back in the day. After all, it's "only a car", right? (Wrong) And when I bought my Corvette in high school my Dad said, "Why do you get a stick shift when they spent millions inventing an automatic transmission!?". lol If you have to ask, you just don't get it.

We looked at lots of plain-jane base models too. I just wasn't looking for that.

Of course, there's never anything wrong with base models or simplicity...if that's what you like.
Actually your grandpa is right You might want to listen to your elders because they do know more than we do. I am 35 years old so I am not an old dog. Just had so many bad experiences with electronics in cars that I prefer simplicity.... there is something to be said for that. All these gadgets and computers they put in cars today cost the consumer more money and only give you more trouble in the end. Did I need heated seats in south Texas (that break)? Did I need a garage door opener? Did I want leather? Do I ever use fog lights? I had cars with all of these gadgets and never used them anyway. The base coupe is not really a base car. It is not a plain jane car. It has everything as the limited minus a few extras. I never got the cupholder and the car came with the storage bin. Did I really want the cup holder? Should I have wanted the cup holder because it came with a "better" more expensive car? Lots of limited owners replaced it with the bin anyway.

I am so glad my crossfire doesn't have tire pressure sensors. Who needs that? I have them in my new jeep and they are constantly going off in hot/cold weather. I think I can check my own tire pressure... thank you but I am not stupid and do pay attention to my car. I check my tires all the time and I don't need a device to do that for me. This feature is now a standard on all new cars and you pay extra in the cost for it. If I could buy a car without it, I would. So more stuff is not always better. You pay extra for that stuff but did you really need it, want it or use it? Why pay more for it then have to pay and fix it.

Not a fan of the silver exterior trim anyway. Not really a fan of the way our cars look with the convertible top up or down. I prefer the look of a hard top coupe. I had my convertible Camaro with all the gadgets (everything worked fine). Never used half of them. I enjoyed the car and it was fun but swore I would never make that mistake again... which is why I went to the base Crossfire coupe rather than a limited convertible. It was black (the color I wanted) and had everything I wanted. There were things about the limited I didn't like at all (slver exterior trim, cupholder...etc). You can enjoy your limited... I enjoy my base.

I never adjust my seat anyway!
 

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Old Oct 4, 2010 | 11:01 AM
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The power seats in this car have a special relay hooked up to the car's door open/closed sensor. It is called the seat relay.

The relay should only allow the seats to be adjusted when the door is open or the key is set to ON.

If the seats do not move when the key is set to ON, you may have to test and replace that relay.

Please check to see if the passenger side seat suffers the same problem.

Note: Edited to reflect that the car only has one seat relay that controls both passenger and driver's side seats.
 

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Old Oct 4, 2010 | 11:07 AM
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Nice soliloquy. "Each to his own" kind of sums it up I think. You're definitely an old soul for sure at 35. At 54 I now am my elders. Bottom line, we love our Crossfire's and we'll have to agree to disagree on bells and whistles. Enjoy. :-)
 
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Old Oct 4, 2010 | 11:09 AM
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Yes, when it stops working, both seats stop working. What are the odds both relays are intermittent at the same time I wonder?

Originally Posted by sonoronos
The power seats in this car have a special relay hooked up to the car's door open/closed sensor. It is called the seat relay and there are two (one for the driver, one for the passenger. They are located beneath the removable side panels on the dash.)

The relay should only allow the seats to be adjusted when the door is open or the key is set to ON.

If the seats do not move when the key is set to ON, you may have to test and replace that relay.

Please check to see if the passenger side seat suffers the same problem.
 
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Old Oct 4, 2010 | 11:13 AM
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I apologize. A correction to my post: There is only one relay connecting both doors. It is accessible on the driver's side panel of the dashboard.

If one side fails, the other side will fail also.

http://www.benzworld.org/forums/r170...y-problem.html
 

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Old Oct 4, 2010 | 11:17 AM
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Awesome Sonoronos! Is this an off the shelf part or do I have to pay Chrysler $300 for it. :-)
 
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Old Oct 4, 2010 | 11:24 AM
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You should not contact your dealer unless you cannot actually do the replacement yourself.

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Old Oct 4, 2010 | 11:31 AM
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Originally Posted by kbputt
Nice soliloquy. "Each to his own" kind of sums it up I think. You're definitely an old soul for sure at 35. At 54 I now am my elders. Bottom line, we love our Crossfire's and we'll have to agree to disagree on bells and whistles. Enjoy. :-)
Yes. Honestly, I don't think it was the bells and whistles that made me buy the base. I think it was the solid color black, stick shift and coupe. I knew I did not want the convertible because I felt it was useless to me after owning all convertibles. I wanted something different. And I didn't care about a few extra features. Like you said... to each his own.

I think it was also a lot easier for me to shop around for a base 5+ years ago when the auto industry was on fire. They were not cutting deals so I was calling every dealership looking for the right car and looking for the right price. It was easier for me to just say " do you have a base coupe? and can you beat this deal?" rather than provide all the details of the specific car I was looking for. Just less of a headache and eliminated a lot of the BS from dealerships. They love to say "I have that car so just come in". When you get there it is not the exact car you were looking for. But when you say "base coupe" there is only one!

Anyway... I hope you fix your problem.
 
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Old Nov 11, 2010 | 10:49 AM
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Originally Posted by kbputt
My 2006 Roadster Limited has the electric driver and passengers seats. Suddenly (and intermittently) my seat controls will only work if the driver's door is open! Key on, key off, engine on/off...doesn't matter. Seat controls won't work unless I stop and open the door. Of course when I took it to Chrysler today it didn't work all the way there. When the tech got in later to drive it into the shop, it works. Bet when I pick it up it will start working again. Anyone ever hear of that problem?
Sorry I missed this post.
I had this problem and I solved it by replacing a 10 cent diode in the relay. I got 10 diodes for a $1.00
Mind you it took a while to get the relay out, but for the price it was worth it.
See my post at https://www.crossfireforum.org/forum...tml#post525788. All the details are here.
It is a very common problem and this is an easy fix.
The diode fails and only half of the relay works. Opening the door powers the relay and power is sent to the seat switch. Closing the door stops the power going to the relay and as the closed relay diode has failed there is no power with the ignition on or off.
It is a normally closed relay so it does not take power to activate the relay all the time. You can feel and hear it click when the door is opened.
Mind you the relay only costs $25+ on the various web sites, the OEM one is a Siemens.
The part number to be replaced is;
MB #002 542 22 19

Siemens Part #72KD305
 

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Old Nov 11, 2010 | 12:38 PM
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Mine was messed up for a bit too, it worked intermittenly here when I took out my drivers seat on of the wires in the harness was loose, I poked it back through and its been okay ever since.
 
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