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Snake Pit Accident

Old Dec 6, 2008 | 09:43 AM
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Originally Posted by Stogey
Sorry to see the front of the 6 crunched, but at least you're walkin and talkin about it !!!
Some cars disengage the ABS if you "tap" the brakes or so I've been told Could this have been the case ? What were the road conditions ? Just curious as to why the thing went into a power slide and not correct itself.
Stogey, if you all out stomp on our brakes they will continue to brake without you...you are right in doing what I call "stab" braking...hit them let off, hit them let off, if you continue to hold, so will they....
 
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Old Dec 6, 2008 | 10:21 AM
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Nah there was no black ice haden't rained in weeks and it was around 45 degrees that night. I wish i could of had it recorded. the car respoded to no steering input and the BAS was forcing the car into a forward slide.
 
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Old Dec 7, 2008 | 08:22 PM
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I will be taking updated pictures of the teardown tomorrow and post them for you guys to see.
 
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Old Dec 7, 2008 | 11:28 PM
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Originally Posted by sonoronos
I didn't experience this at all on the track. Panic stops from 90+mph to 35mph, we're talking full-force 100% braking - no full throttle, no accelerator stuck open, just the ABS grunting like an angry pig. Strange. It must be related to something with slippery roads.
The BAS is only active when the ECU detects a special "brake-situation" when there are only a VERY FEW milliseconds between let off the gas and go quickly into the brakes. This situation is very hard to reproduce, because its a very fast reflex-situation like if you suddenly see a foot-passenger a few meters in front of your car.
 
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Old Dec 8, 2008 | 06:14 AM
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Is it possible for a driver with a really fast reaction time to confuse the computer, resulting in the driver fighting the computer rather than the road situation? Or even a driver with a very slow reaction time reacting to the situation just as the correction has been made?
I assume that 'foot passenger' is a pedestrian, not a passenger who went through the windshield and now finds himself on foot. Yikes!
 
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Old Dec 8, 2008 | 08:10 AM
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Originally Posted by sonoronos
I didn't experience this at all on the track. Panic stops from 90+mph to 35mph, we're talking full-force 100% braking - no full throttle, no accelerator stuck open, just the ABS grunting like an angry pig. Strange. It must be related to something with slippery roads.
Same here. Even repeated stops from 125mph didn't cause such a reaction. And I was going from matting the gas pedal at 125mph to standing on the brakes and hauling down to 35mph. Nothing even close to this has ever happened to mine while on track - or anywhere else, thankfully.
 
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Old Dec 8, 2008 | 08:14 AM
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Hey Mike don't you guys sell something that he can use to just buff that dent out with!

I turned hard into a corner that had gravel on it and between the ABS and the TC I somehow managed to say on the road. Boy was I glad!
 
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Old Dec 8, 2008 | 10:24 AM
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Originally Posted by onehundred80
Is it possible for a driver with a really fast reaction time to confuse the computer, resulting in the driver fighting the computer rather than the road situation? Or even a driver with a very slow reaction time reacting to the situation just as the correction has been made?
I assume that 'foot passenger' is a pedestrian, not a passenger who went through the windshield and now finds himself on foot. Yikes!
Sorry for may bad American language , I meant pedestrian...
 
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Old Dec 8, 2008 | 11:38 AM
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I was only making a joke out of the words, nothing at all implied by it. My German is nonexistent, so that makes you one better in languages, at least, than myself. I come from Canada, so we speak English, so do most people in the US ....... another joke.
 
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Old Dec 8, 2008 | 03:18 PM
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Well here are some updated pictures she is a little naked and you can see the drivers side frame rail took some of the hit but mostly the driver side wheel did. In fact the way the car is designed if you dont hit head on the wheel and suspension take most the impact, which just destroys your control arm, knuckle , and struts.


 
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Old Dec 9, 2008 | 06:17 AM
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The scary part is for those of us that do spirited driving on mountain roads may one day find ourselves plowing off the side of the mountain

So does this only happen with TC on or is it always possible?
 
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Old Dec 10, 2008 | 02:33 AM
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The car drives absolutely normal with the toggle switch in the off position, but the BAS(brake assisted stability) has twice now caused the car to plow forward at speeds that are well below the limits of traction with it off. The scary thought i have is what if another car had been coming around the turn someone could of got really hurt.

The first responder on the scene was a deputy fire fighter who let me know that little 10 foot hill of dirt i hit is the only thing standing between us and the 25 foot drop into a rock quarry!

I will let everyone know what the lead Chrysler mechanic finds wrong after the car gets out of the body shop. But he told me it sounds very much like an electrical issue with a false signal from wheel sensor or the yaw sensor.
 

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