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Old Jan 15, 2009 | 08:40 AM
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Old Jan 15, 2009 | 10:05 AM
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Just out of curiosity, how do you know it is a problem with the LET pulleys and not a difference in the factory crank pulleys. The LET idler pulley used a lipped edge, the factory set up doesn't. I think you would be able to get away with a difference in factory crank pulley depths with only the the crank pulley and alternator pulley being lipped. When you went with the LET set up you now have the idler pulley with a lip, which won't be as for giving as the factory idler set up that had no lip. Reason I mention this is I replaced the steering shaft on my diesel because there was a TSB on the factory one. Well the new updated version once installed had the steering wheel sitting off center by 15-20*. obviously the second run of the new steering shafts were not to the same specs as the first run.
 
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Old Jan 15, 2009 | 10:16 AM
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Originally Posted by 240M3SRT
LET recommends you dont do this and i believe it voids This posting under construction
That makes sense to me, taken apart and put together incorrectly it could lead to immediate failure of the pulley.
The clause about racing etc. voiding the warranty is also understandable.

I was looking at the photo of the pulley posted by Moparbust and could not see if there was a gap between the two parts down the bore of the pulley or if it was just chamfers. If the gap was there then it could be that the part has grown in length by separating. I am not trying to run the design down but if this part failed it could lead to tremendous damage under the hood.

The breakage of the screw when c32AMG-DTM tried to undo it using hand tools is troubling, are they poor screws, did he use too much force because they are locked in place or is it symptomatic of a larger problem? The larger problem could be that the screws are under sheer force in use, this would not be good as screws are at their strongest under tensile loads. If some or all of these screws are constantly taking fluctuating shear forces, or even tensile loads, then fatigue will occur and failure of the screw will occur.

What are the 28 parts inside? does that include the 8 screws and 8 pins between the screws? If it relies on friction then something is wearing, when things wear it leads to it wearing out and replacement.
Sounds too complicated to me, I would go with the ASP pulley as long as the welding did not generate too much heat and damage the elastomer, which is quite possible using modern equipment.

I am sure that the maker has foreseen all these problems and designed around them, and it is just the length problem to be corrected.
Correction - I never had a screw break. It was someone else (Moparrbust maybe?).

Bulldogger - IIRC, my LET idler did not have a lipped edge... it was just a smooth, machined steel 60mm cylinder w/ a 6303 bearing inside.
 
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Old Jan 15, 2009 | 10:26 AM
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[quote=c32AMG-DTM][quote=onehundred80]
Correction - I never had a screw break. It was someone else (Moparrbust maybe?).

Noted and corrected.
 
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Old Jan 15, 2009 | 10:28 AM
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C32,
my water pump pulley was smooth like the factory, but my LET idler was lipped with the LET logo on it, interesting...
 
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Old Jan 15, 2009 | 10:56 AM
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Old Jan 15, 2009 | 11:07 AM
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A lipped idler would lead to damage on the leading edge of the belt, the damage in the first posting, by tighed1, of this thread refers to the rear rib being cut off.
Agreed but a larger CP should be pushing the belt off the front of the idler not the rear.
 
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Old Jan 15, 2009 | 11:29 AM
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Originally Posted by Bulldogger
Agreed but a larger CP should be pushing the belt off the front of the idler not the rear.
It is. The damage to the belt is occuring on the CP. Smooth pulleys are forgiving, ribbed pulleys are not.
 
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Old Jan 15, 2009 | 12:55 PM
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It is. The damage to the belt is occuring on the CP. Smooth pulleys are forgiving, ribbed pulleys are not.
I would have thought the front edge would be getting damaged when it was hitting the alternator pulley
 
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Old Jan 15, 2009 | 02:22 PM
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Old Jan 15, 2009 | 03:08 PM
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Looks like no updates till tomorrow.
Dang machine shop. I miss driving my baby.
 
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Old Jan 15, 2009 | 06:48 PM
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Originally Posted by tighed1
Show off! Day Four, still waiting...

That's what the shop guy told me when I brought them the pullies...............then I said "thanks but no thanks" and started to walk away. The guy then told me to hold on and then asked one of the techs who then said I can do it rite now..........and he did.
 
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Old Jan 15, 2009 | 06:56 PM
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At least you can walk away and take it somewhere else.
We have two machine shops here. One I never use.
 
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Old Jan 15, 2009 | 07:02 PM
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I wonder if most people think that I am wrong in my assumptions and theories, if I am let me know your reasons and I will forget the whole issue.

OK, I have edited all posts on this subject.
 

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Old Jan 15, 2009 | 07:06 PM
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Originally Posted by onehundred80
I wonder if most people think that I am wrong in my assumptions and theories, if I am let me know your reasons and I will forget the whole issue. Not having much feedback and as some of my questions have gone unanswered I guess no one agrees with me. Let me know.

Don't take this the wrong way but most of your responses are soooo long I just skimmed or skipped them. I will go back and re read looking for questions.




OK.................


When I tried to remove one of the pulley allen bolts I had the pulley in my hand and "removed" it with a 3/8'' hand ratched without excessive force and I though I "broke" the bolt loose like usual...............I didn't know it actually "broke" until the front half came out of the pulley and I noticed it was sheared in half. I also didn't know that the pulley supposedly is super complex and has 28 parts until reading this thread.

As far as the crank pulleys sticking out too far and causing wear on the front edge that doesn't/didn't happen because the other pulleys are pulling the belt back where it's supposed to be and this causes the belt to eventually jump back into alignment. When it's back into "alignment" the belt is now hanging one rib off of the back of the crank pulley(happened to me once and I just put it back on the crank again) until it eventually cuts the rear rib off and should continue doing so until it destroys the belt completely.


I installed my newly cut down LET 185 pulley and everything seems to be in order and aligned now except the WP pulley where the belt is sticking off the back edge ever so slightly.................but that's due to the fact that I have the wrong pulley(LET sent me one for a v8 car) on my 6 right now.
 

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Old Jan 15, 2009 | 07:52 PM
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Short. I said wear is on the back face of belt. No answers to my questions. Rash statements by others. Thought I would prevent wrong reaction. No SRT so my thoughts are worth nothing ,OK. Tip, buy ASP pulley.
 
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Old Jan 15, 2009 | 08:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Moparrbust
...but that's due to the fact that I have the wrong pulley(LET sent me one for a v8 car) on my 6 right now.
Damn.
With all due respect to LET – whose exhaust manifolds and heat exchanger I’ve installed – that’s merely an error stemming from sheer inattentiveness.
 
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Old Jan 15, 2009 | 08:43 PM
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Originally Posted by onehundred80
Short. I said wear is on the back face of belt. No answers to my questions. Rash statements by others. Thought I would prevent wrong reaction. No SRT so my thoughts are worth nothing ,OK. Tip, buy ASP pulley.
Onehundred80...Yes I'm reading your thought's. I'll be purchasing a 185 pully from someone in about a month. So why the tip for choosing ASP pulley's? I need guidence for making the correct brand choice. Thanks.. Squirrel Crusher
 
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Old Jan 15, 2009 | 10:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Squirrel Crusher
Onehundred80...Yes I'm reading your thought's. I'll be purchasing a 185 pully from someone in about a month. So why the tip for choosing ASP pulley's? I need guidence for making the correct brand choice. Thanks.. Squirrel Crusher
The reason is simplicity. The simplest part is a one piece pulley. The simplest part with a damper is a three piece pulley, consisting of a hub, connected by a damping medium to the ribbed portion of the pulley just like the OEM part. The more parts you add, you increase the complexity and troubles. You want a simple pulley, not a Swiss watch.
 
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Old Jan 16, 2009 | 06:00 AM
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Originally Posted by onehundred80
The reason is simplicity. The simplest part is a one piece pulley. The simplest part with a damper is a three piece pulley, consisting of a hub, connected by a damping medium to the ribbed portion of the pulley just like the OEM part. The more parts you add, you increase the complexity and troubles. You want a simple pulley, not a Swiss watch.
Hello there, friend. I, for one, enjoy reading your posts... I find the info to be well-thought-out, and usually intriguing stuff that hasn't/wasn't raised before.

For example, I thought you made an excellent point about the shearing forces constantly being applied to the six alloy hex screws (which, although they can handle them so far, they're not really designed/engineered to handle them optimally). So, your observation got me thinking... if the center section and outer pulley ring were splined on their mating surfaces, the screws wouldn't be handling those forces. Alternatively, stronger fasteners might be procured from a vendor like ARP, for longevity and peace of mind.

Might be an R&D improvement that LET incorporates into their V2, V3, V4, etc. crank pulley - or maybe not, but at least the info's out there - you know?

FWIW, people can choose what they want to read - if they think a post isn't applicable or too lengthy, they can skim or skip it. IMHO, if a post has substance to it (and usually a few good gems of info), I enjoy the opportunity to expand my knowledge base with said info.

That's why I read Woody's novellas...

My $0.02
 
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