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Old Dec 29, 2010 | 01:58 PM
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I'm wanting to join Eurocharged DynoDay in S.F. Problem is I haven't gotten my pulley on yet, and won't by the Jan.8th dynoday. They are offering a tune then for $300.(flash) and wondering if I should do this to enjoy until I can afford the pulley and DynoTune, or just be patient (hard for me)and wait. All current mods are in my sig. Their pulley and tune Christmas Special was/is great but sadly, I just can't spring for it right now.
 
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Old Dec 29, 2010 | 02:11 PM
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Probably only an answer that you can provide. Is $300 worth it to you for temporary satisfaction? Or, can you hold your urge off long enough to wait for the pulley? You know the $300 will be a loss once you put the pulley on. So, IMO, I would apply the 300 to the cost of a pulley and wait on the tune. Heck, you are well on your way to a C3 with that $300. To be honest, you will probably feel more of a butt dyno change by adding the pulley than you will with the tune. The tune does tie it all together, but I had instant satisfaction when I added the C3..... You could not wipe the smile off my face. It is kind of similar to the change that you experienced going from stock to the NW CAI. It was like driving a completely new car.

So, long story short...... IMHO, I would get the pulley first. Enjoy the performance gain that the pulley will provide, and then and only then put the finishing touch on it with a tune. You already know this. Maybe it helps to hear someone else say it though. Good luck, and happy modding.
 
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Old Dec 29, 2010 | 03:44 PM
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I agree with Bob get the pully on and enjoy .
 
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Old Dec 29, 2010 | 03:48 PM
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the tune brings it all together...if you put a pulley on and no tune, it will run great, maybe too great, meaning you may or may not be leaning out at the top of the rpm's. All the tune does is bring everything all together within safe parameters, and does help with a little HP as well. Until you get your boost up, you are just wasting time and money getting a tune. It is tough, I know...I had to pass on a tune, because I didn't have everything on as well, but the tune is the very last thing you do....good luck..
 
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Old Dec 29, 2010 | 04:29 PM
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All depends on if the $300 is for a custom tune just discounted for the event. Custom tunes are reflashed for free later when additional modding is done. So you have to ask if the $300 is the same if you had a pulley installed. You need to ask them if you can get reflashed later for free.
 
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Old Dec 29, 2010 | 05:15 PM
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Originally Posted by cruzinquick
All depends on if the $300 is for a custom tune just discounted for the event. Custom tunes are reflashed for free later when additional modding is done. So you have to ask if the $300 is the same if you had a pulley installed. You need to ask them if you can get reflashed later for free.

Good point. Jerry and the Eurocharged guys usually do reflashes for free if you do a custom tune.
 
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Old Dec 29, 2010 | 05:53 PM
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Guys, thank you all for your comments. I'm going to exercise some patience here, thanks for the support.
And I'm still waiting to hear from them whether or not I would get a free update after I got my pulley on or not, and just pay the little extra for a dynotune later. They wanted to know all my mods, so I was assuming that it was a custom tune? On another note, when I was talking to a rep. @InMotion, I asked him what he thought of E.C. and said he wouldn't talk bad about another Co. to make a sale, but then immediately tells me if I wanted to go for the "smoke and mirrors" and "they probably don't have the proper equipment to really put the car in dynotune mode because that costs around $50k." I couldn't believe it. WTHeck! Is any of that true? I know that their website is very stale; a few years without update it looks like, but he would sell me a 178 and custom tune for $1,300. ($100.off thru Dec.). I'm just going to try and forget all this for awhile, and see what SPRING brings. Thanks again. Bob
 
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Old Dec 29, 2010 | 06:13 PM
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Dont know what InMotion rep you were talking to... but there is no smoke and mirrors with EC tuning. EC and InMotion are the top tuners for us.... sounds like the guy you talked to is just a dork....
I sure hope it wansnt InMotion here in Oregon that you talked to... he IS InMotion....
 
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Old Dec 29, 2010 | 06:45 PM
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Originally Posted by MikeR
Dont know what InMotion rep you were talking to... but there is no smoke and mirrors with EC tuning. EC and InMotion are the top tuners for us.... sounds like the guy you talked to is just a dork....
I sure hope it wansnt InMotion here in Oregon that you talked to... he IS InMotion....
Based on forum members reviews, I realized these two were the ones to go to. I wanted to get both sales pitches first hand, and then make a decision. It seems that the poll would favor Eurocharged, but I'm still not counting InMotion out just yet. Right now, nobody's getting my business, because after Christmas, I can't afford to even pay attention. (I know, old joke)
 
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Old Dec 29, 2010 | 07:23 PM
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canned or custom retunes are free. you can even buy the tune now for the sale price and wait 60 days to get the tune installed if your waiting on a pulley. i would get the tune as you already have the dual cai and you can delimit to 201mph and raise the rpm shift points and remap the torque management. all in all you will feel a big difference without the pulley.
NOW AS FOR THE inmotion guy. he doesnt know squat if he thinks theres a dynotune mode on these cars. run very fast away from him!! manual mode esp off and do 4th gear pulls to redline. no need for a 50k whatever! jerry is a great tuner and he has made my 32 run 11.9 afr at 170 mph . good enough for me!

research and dataloggs are the key to tuning. theres also renntech, kleeman, oetuning(jeremy) and buckhead imports (tony) speedriven (marcin) does some tuning but mostly for the v8 not the v6 (thats not to say he cant do it)

if you want a inmotion tune and pulley rob at needswings is the man to see. he will be 100% upfront . no need to doubt him.
dyno tunes after you get the e/c tune will cost you dyno time nothing more
 

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Old Dec 30, 2010 | 02:01 PM
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Originally Posted by dinasrt
Guys, thank you all for your comments. I'm going to exercise some patience here, thanks for the support.
And I'm still waiting to hear from them whether or not I would get a free update after I got my pulley on or not, and just pay the little extra for a dynotune later. They wanted to know all my mods, so I was assuming that it was a custom tune? On another note, when I was talking to a rep. @InMotion, I asked him what he thought of E.C. and said he wouldn't talk bad about another Co. to make a sale, but then immediately tells me if I wanted to go for the "smoke and mirrors" and "they probably don't have the proper equipment to really put the car in dynotune mode because that costs around $50k." I couldn't believe it. WTHeck! Is any of that true? I know that their website is very stale; a few years without update it looks like, but he would sell me a 178 and custom tune for $1,300. ($100.off thru Dec.). I'm just going to try and forget all this for awhile, and see what SPRING brings. Thanks again. Bob
LOLOLOL

Ok, just so everyone knows. Any tune purchased through us is always and will always be eligible for a FREE reflash. Canned/im persona/ dyno whatever the case may be. We have tuned over 400 srt/32 cars so we have a ton of canned and dyno tested and proven files for ANY combination of mods on the car. Thats why we ask for mods when sending the ecu or tuning on the spot. If someone just hands you a file without asking run swiftly. These cars are very tempermental and bad things can happen if not done correctly. This is also why we offer free reflashes, if you change a mod then you want to be running the best and safest version of the software for the platform.

The inmotion guys crack me up. We keep hearing a lot about stuff like that from our new customers that had been going with inmotion. SRT SIX karl can chime in with his story about how he was told that we couldn't "custom" tune. We put him on the dyno and showed how we modified settings throughout the curve as well as changed his tune to his driving style with shift points/torqe mgmt.

50k for equipment, LMAO I wish!!!. For the record, to date, we have invested in over $300k work of tuning equipment. This includes all of our dealer handhelds, our 2 master units, slave units for remote tuning, 2 optican desk units, as well as a few BDMs for doing the newer 63 series cars, 2 mercedes star units that are brand new, not to mention we just upgraded our Dyno to the newest and best unit on the market.

32krazy! is right, dynomode lol. Why in the world would we invest in equipment when you wouldnt need it.

Bottom line is no matter who you go with, tune that baby. The crossie is an amazing ride, and even more amazing with a little more pep!
 
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Old Dec 30, 2010 | 02:48 PM
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DING! (sound of me chiming in!) LOL

I had discussed all the pros and cons with Inmotion (in Oregon) and told him I was coming up on business and could I drop off my ECU and have him tune it. He said that for insurance purposes, I could not drop it off and had to send it overnight.

I had my SRT6 dynoed locally before I sent it in and saw a peak of 291 pre-tune. After getting my ECU back from InMotion, I took the car to the same dyno under nearly identical weather conditions and the dyno showed a slight DECREASE. Granted it was now about 1% less, but less none the less.

This confirmed what my "butt-dyno" had indicated. Essentially there was no difference before and after. When I talked with InMotion (both phone and email) they said the same thing mentioned in the post from dinasrt "...I asked him what he thought of E.C. and said he wouldn't talk bad about another Co. to make a sale, but then immediately tells me if I wanted to go for the "smoke and mirrors" and "they probably don't have the proper equipment to really put the car in dynotune mode because that costs around $50k."

I called a number of tuners in SoCal who said they have tuned a number of AMG cars and NEVER used the special "computer" mentioned by InMotion.

At CAA in St Louis I decided to let EC tune my baby. I told them the story and they gave me a "no money paid" guarantee that if they could not improve the tune, they would set it back to the InMotion baseline and not charge me anything.

Bottom line, it was the best money ever spent. The "butt dyno" was puckerlicious. I could spin the tires from a stop with the transmission set to 2nd.

I did some testing with my Passport and pre-tune my best 0-60 time was 4.9 seconds, after driving back from CAA, I retested to a best 0-60 time of 4.4 seconds.

I wrote InMotion about all of this and asked them to reply, but got nothing.

I HIGHLY recommend EC and would not even consider anyone else!

Originally Posted by loungn14
LOLOLOL

Ok, just so everyone knows. Any tune purchased through us is always and will always be eligible for a FREE reflash. Canned/im persona/ dyno whatever the case may be. We have tuned over 400 srt/32 cars so we have a ton of canned and dyno tested and proven files for ANY combination of mods on the car. Thats why we ask for mods when sending the ecu or tuning on the spot. If someone just hands you a file without asking run swiftly. These cars are very tempermental and bad things can happen if not done correctly. This is also why we offer free reflashes, if you change a mod then you want to be running the best and safest version of the software for the platform.

The inmotion guys crack me up. We keep hearing a lot about stuff like that from our new customers that had been going with inmotion. SRT SIX karl can chime in with his story about how he was told that we couldn't "custom" tune. We put him on the dyno and showed how we modified settings throughout the curve as well as changed his tune to his driving style with shift points/torqe mgmt.

50k for equipment, LMAO I wish!!!. For the record, to date, we have invested in over $300k work of tuning equipment. This includes all of our dealer handhelds, our 2 master units, slave units for remote tuning, 2 optican desk units, as well as a few BDMs for doing the newer 63 series cars, 2 mercedes star units that are brand new, not to mention we just upgraded our Dyno to the newest and best unit on the market.

32krazy! is right, dynomode lol. Why in the world would we invest in equipment when you wouldnt need it.

Bottom line is no matter who you go with, tune that baby. The crossie is an amazing ride, and even more amazing with a little more pep!
 

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Old Dec 30, 2010 | 02:54 PM
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Originally Posted by loungn14
LOLOLOL

Ok, just so everyone knows. Any tune purchased through us is always and will always be eligible for a FREE reflash. Canned/im persona/ dyno whatever the case may be. We have tuned over 400 srt/32 cars so we have a ton of canned and dyno tested and proven files for ANY combination of mods on the car. Thats why we ask for mods when sending the ecu or tuning on the spot. If someone just hands you a file without asking run swiftly. These cars are very tempermental and bad things can happen if not done correctly. This is also why we offer free reflashes, if you change a mod then you want to be running the best and safest version of the software for the platform.

The inmotion guys crack me up. We keep hearing a lot about stuff like that from our new customers that had been going with inmotion. SRT SIX karl can chime in with his story about how he was told that we couldn't "custom" tune. We put him on the dyno and showed how we modified settings throughout the curve as well as changed his tune to his driving style with shift points/torqe mgmt.

50k for equipment, LMAO I wish!!!. For the record, to date, we have invested in over $300k work of tuning equipment. This includes all of our dealer handhelds, our 2 master units, slave units for remote tuning, 2 optican desk units, as well as a few BDMs for doing the newer 63 series cars, 2 mercedes star units that are brand new, not to mention we just upgraded our Dyno to the newest and best unit on the market.

32krazy! is right, dynomode lol. Why in the world would we invest in equipment when you wouldnt need it.

Bottom line is no matter who you go with, tune that baby. The crossie is an amazing ride, and even more amazing with a little more pep!
This is what I'm talking about. Thank you Jake for all of that. Until it's laid out like that it's a bit confusing for us newer guys, hearing differing opinions. This has helped me w/ my decision. I can't say enough about how helpful many of the members have been here. It has saved me a lot of money since I got the 6, showing me "how to". On the other hand it has cost me even more, buying mods I never new existed for us until I met you guys, lol.
 
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Old Dec 31, 2010 | 10:39 AM
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Originally Posted by dinasrt
This is what I'm talking about. Thank you Jake for all of that. Until it's laid out like that it's a bit confusing for us newer guys, hearing differing opinions. This has helped me w/ my decision. I can't say enough about how helpful many of the members have been here. It has saved me a lot of money since I got the 6, showing me "how to". On the other hand it has cost me even more, buying mods I never new existed for us until I met you guys, lol.
That is in my opinion one of the best things about this particular forum. Members helping members.

Thanks as well for SRT SIX for jumping in to post! Always appreciated and hope you still love the car!
 
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