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Old Aug 12, 2007 | 04:20 PM
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Not sure if this has been tested, but I took out the TC fuse and drove it around.

I had the 5k rev limiter, and all the warning lights, plus the speedo didn't work and wing would not go down.

So This is definitely not an effective way.
 
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Old Aug 13, 2007 | 01:17 AM
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Originally Posted by stallion8797
Not sure if this has been tested, but I took out the TC fuse and drove it around.

I had the 5k rev limiter, and all the warning lights, plus the speedo didn't work and wing would not go down.

So This is definitely not an effective way.
Yeah... Unfortunately it doesn't work very well does it ? Disconnect the cable loom to the YAW sensor and try that ! And don't ask me where the YAW sensor is...
 
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Old Aug 13, 2007 | 01:20 AM
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Been tested and verified a long time ago... you can search for 'traction control fuse' or 'disabling ESP' and you will find the threads.

Only real way to disable the ESP is to have it disabled in the ECU/PCM. Another option is a little box that Woody made to 'fake' the signal from the inertial sensors. This fools the ESP to think that you are driving in a straight line and not going sideways (I think that's what I understood).

Good luck!

EDIT: I just noticed HDDP's post above. Please refer to either HDDP or Woody for the bible on ESP/TC disabling.
 

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Old Aug 15, 2007 | 10:09 PM
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Odd i think i remember pulling fuse 18 on my car and the esp light comes on but nothing else. Car acted just like there was nothing. I could rev it up and drop it and spin the tires and chirp second and third. It was definitely a lot better than have the switch just turned to off. Granted i have an '06 so who knows...
 
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Old Aug 16, 2007 | 12:48 AM
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Originally Posted by fortknox82
Odd i think i remember pulling fuse 18 on my car and the esp light comes on but nothing else. Car acted just like there was nothing. I could rev it up and drop it and spin the tires and chirp second and third. It was definitely a lot better than have the switch just turned to off. Granted i have an '06 so who knows...
I think you remember not getting over 5,000 rpm out of the engine either...
 
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Old Aug 16, 2007 | 01:22 AM
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Alright, I Want To Put This Whole Thing To A Rest Until Some Freakin' Genius Comes Up With The Answers...

I Want Everyone To Go Out To Their Un-modified 6spd Crossfire, Start It And While In Neutral, Stomp The Gas Pedal To The Floor... If Your Engine Revs And Holds Over 5,200 Rpm, I'll Send You $25...

This Is Why Dyno Runs Are Nearly Impossible In The Manual Transmission Version Of The Car!!!

Then I Want You All To Pull The Abs Etc Fuses #17 & 18 Respectively And Take Your Car For A Drive And Try To Get The Engine Over 5,000 Rpm... If You Can Get The Engine Over 5,000 Rpm I'll Send You $100

Now You Get My Point ?
 
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Old Aug 16, 2007 | 01:55 AM
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Well HDDP, I just did what you said and not only did it go to 5,200 it actually went all the way to 6,500. Of course I didn't have a camera to take a pic, but I'm a trustworthy guy...

I also take paypal.
 
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Old Aug 16, 2007 | 02:44 AM
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Well HDDP, I just did what you said and not only did it go to 5,200 it actually went all the way to 6,500. Of course I didn't have a camera to take a pic, but I'm a trustworthy guy...

I also take paypal.
Which part did you do ? and do you ghave the 6spd manual trans like I said ?
 
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Old Aug 16, 2007 | 02:47 AM
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Which part did you do ? and do you ghave the 6spd manual trans like I said ?

Pictures and video would be great... especially the 6,500 rpm
 
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Old Aug 16, 2007 | 03:02 AM
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Originally Posted by stallion8797
Well HDDP, I just did what you said and not only did it go to 5,200 it actually went all the way to 6,500. Of course I didn't have a camera to take a pic, but I'm a trustworthy guy...

I also take paypal.

I'm not doubting your trustworthiness... But I know for fact that if you have a 6spd manual transmission, you cannot do what you said you did... Unless your ECU PCM has been modified...

I wanna see pictures of this, especially 6,500 RPM... And then I'll be HAPPY to send you the CASH
 
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Old Aug 16, 2007 | 03:10 AM
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Stallion ? Have you disappeared ? I'm curious !
 
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Old Aug 16, 2007 | 05:06 AM
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*POOF* and he's gone...
 
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Old Aug 16, 2007 | 05:27 AM
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My post was a joke... I kinda thought the 6,500 part was the dead give away.

So does anyone know if you can do it with the automatic?

What about if you had a stand alone to control the rev limiter, would that work in theory?
 
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Old Aug 16, 2007 | 02:26 PM
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I got back from work a bit early this evening and had the camera in the car so thought I would have a bit of fun in the dirt with the TC/ESP off. Detailers please look away now.

Dirty Donuts Video!
 
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Old Aug 16, 2007 | 02:57 PM
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Originally Posted by woody
I got back from work a bit early this evening and had the camera in the car so thought I would have a bit of fun in the dirt with the TC/ESP off. Detailers please look away now.
Dirty Donuts Video!
YAHOOO !!! YEEEHAAAWWW !!!

PS: nice camera position on the bumper... You're hired...
 
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Old Aug 16, 2007 | 03:11 PM
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Originally Posted by stallion8797
My post was a joke... I kinda thought the 6,500 part was the dead give away.

So does anyone know if you can do it with the automatic?

What about if you had a stand alone to control the rev limiter, would that work in theory?
Well it seems the automatic doesn't have the extent of static rev issue that the manual does... I've heard stories that some people with auto's don't have problems reaching the 6,200 RPM rev limit on dyno pulls... But, I haven't personally confirmed this...

As far as increasing your rev limit from the current 6,200, there's really no advantage unless you do some major internal performance mods (cams, etc). The power and torque drop off dramatically over 5,800 RPM. So all you would be accomplishing is putting unnecessary stress on your engine internals with no gain !!!

Remember, we have a very strange engine configuration (3 valves, two intake and one exhaust) that creates a bottle neck for the exhaust gasses already... This explains most of the reasons our powerband is fairly narrow and at relatively low RPM's...

PS: You had my blood pressure going earlier... I'm glad you fessed-up.
 
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Old Aug 16, 2007 | 04:40 PM
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My 2004 Crossfire has autostick. When I hammer down all the way it will hit 6,200 in 2, 3, 4 gear by then I am hauling a## and actually when I hit 145 mph I never made a point to look at the rpm. I have only done this once though.
I guess I will have to do it again and look at the tach next time.
 
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Old Aug 16, 2007 | 04:55 PM
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Originally Posted by VALKRYDERGUY
My 2004 Crossfire has autostick. When I hammer down all the way it will hit 6,200 in 2, 3, 4 gear by then I am hauling a## and actually when I hit 145 mph I never made a point to look at the rpm. I have only done this once though.
I guess I will have to do it again and look at the tach next time.
Sorry, perhaps you misunderstood the posts... We were discussing static RPM limits... Especially with the manual transmission version of the car... Can you have your automatic version in park or neutral and achieve a RPM greater than 5,200 ?

Also were discussing the ability to disable the traction control completely... Woody is going to be marketing a system that will allow you to completely disable the traction control...
 
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Old Aug 16, 2007 | 05:01 PM
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OOPS sorry bout that. I know my Grand Am GT had a rev limiter but I have not tried it with my Crossfire.
 
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Old Aug 24, 2007 | 10:03 PM
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Originally Posted by HDDP
Alright, I Want To Put This Whole Thing To A Rest Until Some Freakin' Genius Comes Up With The Answers...

I Want Everyone To Go Out To Their Un-modified 6spd Crossfire, Start It And While In Neutral, Stomp The Gas Pedal To The Floor... If Your Engine Revs And Holds Over 5,200 Rpm, I'll Send You $25...

This Is Why Dyno Runs Are Nearly Impossible In The Manual Transmission Version Of The Car!!!

Then I Want You All To Pull The Abs Etc Fuses #17 & 18 Respectively And Take Your Car For A Drive And Try To Get The Engine Over 5,000 Rpm... If You Can Get The Engine Over 5,000 Rpm I'll Send You $100.

Now You Get My Point ?
I finally had the time to do your little test.

In neutral standing still my 2006 base coupe will not go over 4,300 rpm. This is when all fuses are in, when only 18 is pulled, and when 17 & 18 are pulled.

Now when fuse 18 is only pulled the orange abs and bas lights come on and the traction control can't be turned on or off. I can rev it up and drop the clutch and it will burn rubber as long as it can and chirp second hard. No signs of any TC. If i pull 17 & 18 there is no difference in launching.

Now as far as getting to redline in both instances I CAN. Pulls all the way hard with no problems.

Kind of weird that it wont let me rev past 4,300 EVER but i can run it to redline no matter what.

So what do you all think about that. Bone stock.
 
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