True Crossfire fans do not have to justify anything, except maybe to the missus, if they want to do something they just do it.
$1,000 spent doesn't have to save a dime.

 

Smooth works. Hey, Rob? They were trying to be scientific, y'know?

 

On my 1996 Viper GTS, there were two corrugated hoses running from the air box just behind the NASA style hood scoop into both intakes, one on each bank of cylinders. The V10 was rated at 450 HP.
Later that year Dodge came out with the White Viper GTSR version that had a tall rear spoiler, different wheels, a few other race ready changes with the same motor. Only this one was rated at 460 HP.
The only difference was swapping the corrugated (according style) intake hoses for a smooth style hose. Instant 10 hp gain.
I realize that most of the restriction the NA cars experience is from its factory Air Cleaner Housing. But would replacing our corrugated plastic tube with smooth ones help?

 

I went from 13.1 to 12.8 with a single CAI. After adding the pulley and tune, I dropped to 12.4, and after going to the duel and few other small mods, we were at 12.2...that was the roadster...So, I am a believer...The roadster hasn't been back to the track for some time. I have added the wavetrac, 240's tweaked manis, and will add a new tune sometime soon. But, since starting the coupe build, the roadster is retired so to speak. But the coupe got a dual Needswings CAI right from the get go.

 

I do believe in my NeedsWings DCAI. Somewhat related to the topic>I wanted to go a step further and blast the supercharger with outside cold air. It was quite simple to do and looks Bad A$$. From our hoods front nose,just above the chrome wings,I measured over 1 3/4" from each side of the center spine. From that point I drawed out dual 3"x1 1/2" rectangle box shapes. After LOT'S of careful measuring,I took a cable drive Roto Zip to cut away the drawed out area off our hoods outside and parcially cutting the inside bracing. Just parcially cutting into the bracing for the tubing passage way. Then welded the tubing to the cut out area of the hoods bracing,making it stronger than factory. The two pieces of rectangle thin wall tubing fit the cut outs like a glove. After welding in the rectangle tubing, grind the tubing down to match the hoods front nose curve. Still have lots of other types of cooling mods for this hood project. Squirrel Crusher

 

Pictures Don, we need pictures puleeze!

 

I just knew someone was going to ask for pictures. I still shoot film. I'll take some this weekend and have WalGreens to transfer to a CD. See Ya..Squirrel Crusher

 

Don't hold out on us!

 

Just an ole cynical guy here that says that video does nothing either way for XF owners, let along the N/A vs SC versions of the M112. The config of that car in the vid is no-where near ours. How does our N/A breathe, its sucked into the motor. Their vid has a forced intake, isn't it? Ours is a 3.2L, sorry, forgot what theirs was. Everything from the intake 'snout' to the route the air follows up to and including the exhaust tips figure into the results. So, what does that say about an XF's N/A or SC CAI? Generally speaking, a lot of guesswork. Specifically, you have to take one of each fully stock, then add a single CAI (to both models) and finally a DCAI (again to both models). When those documented third party (observed) results are posted, the rest of the story will be known (taking some words from the venerable Paul Harvey). Only then will 99% of the guesswork (and BS) be removed from most doubt. Since its been almost 10 years since the first car hit the streets, I'm going to stick my head out a little and say I doubt this will happen (both a stock N/A and SC XF getting together with a couple of aftermarket and home built CAI and DCAI's for a session or two of comparable conditions dyno runs.

I still wouldn't mind having a home-made single CAI but stock is fine for this guy for now...

 

so a cai from needs wings is proven to give us actual horsepower? does th fact its metal cause any draw backs due to its head conduction? sorry to keep repeating but im trying to be clear as possible for me ,and for anyone else that may ever read this , if it actually boosts like 20 hp just by adding some nice tubing , i cant even imagine with the throttle body , our cars will be more like little rockets than before!

 

LMAO on that video, they did quite a bit wrong. whilee cold air surely adds to the benefit, most of the gains is from the deisgn/effieciency of the system.

 

Obviously I can't add anything to what you others did from a technical view point but I will say this.

1. These guys are far from the true myth busters
2. Their web site give self credence for the many mods they have done "WITH A SOLID GROUNDING IN TV/ AUDIO PRODUCTION, AND CAR MODIFICATION"
3. Not saying its wrong, but the one guy grabbed the others butt in the vid and they had a person walking around in a pig costume...didn't hear a squeal, so just saying.
4. They are DYI people which in my opinion is fantastic and I applaud that, but just because they have a following world wide and did a test or two to bust the "myth", doesn't override the engineering which resulted our cars having the stock intakes where they were. Rob and others just improved on what was there...who is the best is not for me to decide.

To me the MCM guys are simply busting something which they don't already accept and don't back anything up with long scientific analysis to support their theory. Which = fail

 

thank you guys , this is what i wanted, true opinions from other members, to TB and CAI in the works for me then! haha