Hey I guys I have been reading on what a lot of you guys have done so far and what has worked well and what hasnt. So here is my plan to crack into the 12's with my N/A 04 crossfire. So far I have a borla exhaust which I love a little quiet but good. I ordered my suspension eibach springs and koni shocks and the zex wet kit. I am going to put a 100 shot on it. TVT I like what you guys put together in your stage one kit. Are you guys open on saturday I want to drive down where you guys are so you can do my ecu and I can pick up the injectors also I want to go with the CAI instead of the modded box. PM so we can work out details. I also ordered the evosport underdrive pullies. All this I should defianlty crack a 12. I have had three nitrous cars so far and I love the stuff. I figure since my camaro wont be done this season I might as well make the crossfire a little more fun to drive. Let me know what you guys think and if you have any additional suggestions

 

Even with a 100 shot, I don't think you'll be able to get it. You'll ned to be putting down at least 320 (probably more) to the wheels, along with track conditions, weather, and not to mention tires. If you put on some DR's I can maybe see it.

Our 6's w/ a CAI sometimes can't crack 12's

Also, that's a decent amount of dough to throw into a Limited, you're almost better off trying to find a cheap SRT somewhere. I looked into the same route you're going (minus the NO2) and it was honestly more feasible to buy a SRT but that's just my opinion

 

The thing I have seen in this forum is everytime an N/A guy wants to make his car faster all people seem to say is buy a srt6. I didnt buy the 6 because I wanted a manual to drive everyday. I have built my fair share of fast cars 2 civics on with a gsr and bolts and a 75 shot running 13.2 and another with a b16 turbo running 12.70s. a 79 camaro sbc on 175 shot running 11.80's and now I building a 93 camaro with a 400 sbc and a single turbo that is looking to make 600+hp. When you run nitrous that 100 shot is translates about 90-95 rwhp and with torque curves to match and sometimes exceed. Nitous works wonders. My friend and I put a 175 shot on his 03 Mach 1 mustang with intake exhaust headers gears a fluid dampner a decent size came and he ran a 10.80 on slicks. Nitrous is the great equalizer. So all you N/A guys just spray

 

you wouldnt need more that 320 to the crank to pull a 12.9 in a 6 speed. 320 to the wheels would get you in low 12 territory. Im also really not into the srts the more I think about it.. I need a stick car, and the ones I saw when I was shopping were at least 10k more than their N/A counterparts. Eventually when the N/As break 300 hp the srt dicks wont know what to do with themselves.

 

Since I'm one of the "SRT Dicks", all I can say is good luck and show us the time slip from the track.

Oh, and since I'm a d ick, let me point out an inconvenient truth for you. Try doing some research. It takes 288 whp to push a 3061 lbs Crossfire Limited Coupe (assuming the driver weighs 139 lbs) down the 1/4 track in 13.0 seconds. At 19% drive train loss, that would mean you'd need 356 crank hp. And that's just for 13.0. If you want 12.5 you'll need 324 at the wheel and 400 at the crank. For a 12.0 second run you'd need 366 at the wheel and 452 at the crank. It's a matter of physics. 320 at the crank is only gonna get you 13.5.

 

Did someone say srt dicks?

 

Yup. Sup with that?

 

srt's manage 12.8's with 330 hp weighing more than a limited, i dont see why a limited with the same power wouldnt run a 12.9 with a 6 speed on a good run. I wasnt calling every srt owner a ****, just the ones that seem to pick on us "inferior" limited owners because we didnt blow an extra couple thousand for whatever reason. Actually you two that took offense are ones I would consider pretty cool, along with many others on this forum... plus I dont plan on making mine run 12's, its my daily driver, its not a race car. Now my mustang... it should run 11's in the next couple years, maybe 10's..

 

srt6 are dicks
naxfire are vagainas

and when they grow up and get married daddy puts his srt6 into mommies naxfire and a few months later baby comes!!!!!!!!

 

alright

 

Sorry downwardspiral, the SRT-6's don't have 330 crank hp. That was false advertizing on the part of DaimlerChrysler. They actually sport 350 (or 349 depending on who you ask). The theory is that DaimlerChrysler didn't want to appear to be selling SLK 32 AMG level performance for cheap.

You are right in one regard, the limited is lighter than the SRt by about 180 lbs. So if a limited had the same hp as an SRT, the limited would be faster.

Keep in mind that the SRT-6's that you're seeing running 12.8's and lower aren't stock. The fastest recorded stock SRT-6 run was by Rob @ NeedWings at 13.044.

 

Thats pretty cool, I love understated hp ratings. Like i said though, I doubt mine will ever break into the 13's. I'm driving it till Im out of school, or maybe till the warranty runs out then i'll get something crazy. I just punched the numbers into a 1/4 mile calculator and they came up 12.9.

 

We will work with you as much as possible to get you into the 12's but it's going to take one hell of a driver. With the mods you listed and everything else we can currently do for your car you should be around the 375 crank HP mark. Without a doubt we can get you to the 275-285HP with some tuning and our mods. With the 100 shot of NOS you'll be awfully close to that mark. We'll throw some slicks on the car and if you don't break anything you may be the fastest N/A crossfire.

As for Saturday we will be moving into our new property, but we can still do an install of the ECU (not sure of time yet) injectors, pulleys, CAI, and whatever else your wallet desires.

There are far more N/A Crossfires out there and to see one hit the 12's is a great step forward in the true performance of these cars. Look what we did with just an intake, injectors, and ECU tune.

With prices of N/A crossfires around the 15K mark and SRT6's around the 20K we have some decent room to play with to add some power.

Anthony

 

suspension and traction mods really help, do a little weight reduction like taking the passenger side seat out, run 16" or 17" drag radials or slicks, run your nitrous and cai, etc and you should get close.

 

^ But what's the freakin' point? If you have to tear half the car apart, spray laughy gas, and hit your tires with a hair drier before you can go fast in a straight line... you should just take up autocrossing or something.

 

That IS the entire point, part of the fun of owning a car is seeing what you can get out of it. If someone wants to take a slow car and make it fast and they have fun doing it then that sounds like a pretty good point to me.

Some people mod ugly 4 door grocery getters and some people mod sporty little coupes. Modding cars is a hobby, if we all only modded race cars then it would be pretty boring.

 

I guess it just depends on where you draw the "waste of time" line.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=plbI-QxdFzk

That's about where the line gets crossed.

 

Wow.


Touché .

 

I understand Sodamhot's point. He has a limited, and he wants to get the most from it. Yeah, it sucks when people tell you that you should've bought a different car. I ran into the same thing when I had a base model Dodge Stealth. Every forum I went into told me the same thing when I asked about performance mods - go buy the SRT. That gets old quick.

As long as he realizes (and I'm sure he does) that he's going to have an uphill battle, let the guy have his fun. He probably already knows that there aren't going to be too many performance mod options available, and that he's going to have to spend a bunch of money to get close to SRT performance. But, I think it is great that TVT has mods for the normally aspirated Crossfires. Go for it!

In the end, I hope he smokes someone in an SRT. That'll make that SRT driver think twice before judging a limited. As for me, I'm just gonna buy more mods so I can keep ahead of him!