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Secondary Air Pump CEL

Old Jun 18, 2010 | 06:50 AM
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Hello Guys,

I am trying to by pass the secondary air pump on my xfire as it is fried! I am displaying the CEL and registering the P0410 fault code.

Is there a way to by pass the pump and fool the ECU into swtiching off the CEL?
 
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Old Jun 18, 2010 | 08:47 AM
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No, the car turns on the pump then it monitors the O2 sensors to see a change. That's why you hear the pump run for a few seconds when you come to a stop light. It's "testing" the pump. I bought my car with a fried pump, I ripped it apart and found the plastic brush holders where melted. Well, I JB welded the brush holders back to where they should be, then filed them nice and smooth and the pump has been working for 9 months now. It looked like hell but once re-assembled you can't tell.
 
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Old Jun 18, 2010 | 08:54 AM
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I will have a go at dismantling the Pump, but I have read numerous threads on this forum about not needing this pump and being able to run the car on a daily basis without it, as I am now. I haven't any issues without it working other then that annoying CEL!
 
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Old Jun 18, 2010 | 09:07 AM
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Right, it will not affect the operation of your car. It is mandated emmision control. I fires up to warm your cat. convertors faster at a cold start. Try to repair it, if you cant you've lost nothing.
The PMC runs the pump through a relay so a resistor will do nothing.
 
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Old Jun 18, 2010 | 09:19 AM
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Thanks for your help Tunaglove. I guess then that the only way to get rid of the CEL is to replace or fix the pump. I hope it is repairable - they cost over £300 new! I'm gonna check the PCM too as I have read that these are prone to going wrong, which may have caused the pump to get fried in the first place.

I am sure I read something on here about a giant resistor to get rid of the CEL!!
 
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Old Jun 18, 2010 | 12:31 PM
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If you look at the wiring schematic in the repair manual you will see: control wires going from PCM to the the Relay Contol Module. A relay closes on command from the PCM and sends current through a 10amp fuse to the pump motor. There is no way the PCM could see or tell if there is a load (or resistor) on the relay running the pump. It knows of the failure because the O2 sensors didn't change voltage when the pump was commanded.

Adding a resistor to the pump connector is VOODOO!
 
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Old Jun 18, 2010 | 03:42 PM
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You can trick the ecu into thinking the pump is still there by using a load resistor, just measure the load across the contacts on the pump.

I've disabled my air pump, as it causes the a/f ratio to be erroneously lean. I still have the CEL but it doesnt bother me. Right now Im working on the load resistor fix to see how it works out.

There should be a way through the PCM to disable the air pump.
 
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Old Jun 18, 2010 | 03:53 PM
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Won't work!!!!! Read my post above please.
 
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Old Jun 21, 2010 | 04:29 AM
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Hey guys,

Thanks for your advice, I disconnected the battery on Saturday to check the RCM, which looks like new. I also checked the pump (incase it miraculously came back to life!) but it was definately fried. Upon putting everything back together again the CEL is gone! Now I dont know why - but I'm sure as hell not complaining!
 
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Old Jun 21, 2010 | 01:38 PM
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When you disconnecdted the battery you cleared the CEL.... wait... it will come back....
 
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Old Jun 21, 2010 | 03:47 PM
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I'm just waiting, keeping an eye on it, no sleep, just watching carefully from a distance.....the minute it goes off again... POW!...I'm gonna disconnect the battery again!
 
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