What's up? photos have been up for a day and no comments? What were you expecting?
I was expecting to see a bunch of Powder-coated completed pieces.
Instead I see a few more pieces tacked on , and a butt ugly muffler with a butt ugly hanger.
Not too much production happening. No comment from the most positive member of the build "Mrmiata super hero great defender of Corky", Is it possible I may have to drop the
" great defender of corky" off his title ? is he getting discouraged ?
It was around 126 days ago they posted this ( but who's counting).....

DJ,
A good week. Considerable progress. Again, I am answering w/o pictures.

I’ll try to get a picture album your way soon.

It looks like driving this thing might be within 10/15 days.

Squeeze, crossfingers, pray, all that sort of stuff. The first drive will be the biggest impression……. But surely not the last impression.

All the best,

Corky

What does it mean??
Is this like dangleing a carrot infront of a hungry horse? instead dangleing a Turbo?
Is this guy playing us for fools or is this a joke.?
I can only imagine what the tuning proccess is going to be like , if this is the build.
Don't forget folks CR1 is not complete and they still have to make Kits out of this ..so sad
I have so much more to say about this build but will give you a break for now and welcome your feedback positive or negative.
disgruntled member

 

Probably some Dragon fatigue going on, slow in general on the board. Just checked the pics, I'm still in the "at least there is still something going on" mindset. Looking at the gaps in some of those pipes it's not ready to run yet. Can't say I'm thrilled with the progress but not unexpected at this point. The muffler def doesn't do any justice but I assume its just for test fitting like the rest of the stuff.

Has anybody added any input to what tips/muffler to use? I know BEGI asked the question a while ago but never seen firm responses. They may give us multiple options etc. but who knows, may need to ask. I will probably end up with the stock tips regardless of what the kit comes with unless they find something that fills the space and looks better. It's hard to best the stock setup IMO.

 

Wow.. New pictures! @ Bjames.. that ignore feature really works great!

 

It doesn't work that good , you responded
''I WANT MY TURBO NOWWWW......''.

 

Hmm.. looking up the Kleeman SC. Seems 05 bar = 7.2 psi.. which is where the turbo is "reportedly" going to be... What were those HP gain guesses? And keep in mind it's not taking ponies away from the motor to compress... "I WANT MY TURBO NOWWW..AAAAHHHH.." ...


Kleemann M112 SuperCharger System Mercedes SLK320 V6 R170 9604 The KLEEMANN Kompressor system for the V6 M112 engine is the very essence of the KLEEMANN slogan Comfort Power High power output combined with a low boost pressure of just 05 bar makes the system safe and provides longterm durability for the engine The KLEEMANN Kompressor System is an Eaton type supercharger with an integrated airtowater intercooler and is the only known system to combine the intake manifold kompressor and intercooler into one integral unit The intercooler is such a superior design that it holds its own patent The system design was chosen because of its ability to develop boost at very low engine revs and to maintain that boost consistently throughout the rev range until maximum engine revs is reached As a result the engine has a characteristic smooth power band with no peaks or valleys just immediate power on demand without any hesitation For nearly two decades KLEEMANN has manufactured kompressor systems exclusively for MercedesBenz engines Since the beginning KLEEMANN has continually improved on its original design to offer the most efficient powerful and safe engine tuning solution Today intensive research and development as well as the use of cuttingedge technology has turned KLEEMANN into the world leader in kompressor solutions for MercedesBenz SLK320 32 V6 shows gains of 113 HP and 97 lbsft Torque KLEEMANN Kompressor Systems are CARB and TUV approved and are available for all models 1997 with normally aspirated NA V6 engineFor Install Instructions CLICK HERENote Images are for representation only Actual product may vary.

Could this turn the "lowly" NA into a stock SRT6 "SLAYER" !

 

you forgot one very important difference between kleeman and begi. KLEEMAN ACTUALLY BUILT A PRODUCT!! cant say the same for begi!

 

Unfortunately still to early to be thinking about the HP from the last set of photos :P If the turbo NA puts out a WHP number close to a stock SRT I will be very happy/impressed. SRT slayer I'm doubtful of but we should be able to peek out from behind the shadow of the whale tail far enough to get some respect.

 

That isn't true Steve Web3.0 was working on his a long time ago. He worked and worked and worked to perfect it. Begi, is doing this on the side, as many of you already have realized. They work on it when they aren't doing their regular business...fair or not, it is what it is... Not a money maker...

 

sorry doc web did a s/c setup not turbo. his will be ground up just like begi. web also is a 1 man show tending family and work begi is a buisness who made a commitment and promise a timeline and has so far failed miserably. MY MONEY IS ON WEB 3.0. i dealt with back burner projects and called them out as a failure and i would do the same with this project. any shop that takes close to a yr to build this when their entire buisness platform is based on turbos should hang their heads in shame.
if it was free i wouldnt let begi build a muffler for my lawnmower. if the cost anaylisis didnt show that they could make money they shouldnt have started the project. they asked for deposits and got them. its now upon them to hold up their end of the agreement. and they have FAILED!

 

Sad but true.

 

Sad indeed...... the plumbing part of this project shouldn't take more than a month. I'm also disappointed to see the use of steel pipes. S/S should be used. Any coating planned? If not, I don't give the exhaust system more than 4 years life span. Oh and that OEM MAF housing's got to go!

 

yep, the super charger is right...but kiss you *** good bye on seeing a turboed limited for under 3500 bucks by anyone other than someone donating their time... It isn't the same.... Business has to make money or it folds...like so many have on here already... Did they screw up taking it on... sure they did, and it won't get any better calling them names... Speedriven was proof of that ... I would refund the money and walk away now...

 

So so sad, Yes and one member paid in full.
Yup my money goes on web 3.o.
I WANT MY TURBO AND I WANT IT NOWWW.......

 

So I see alot of you saying Begi won't make money on this. What is this based on? Where are the facts to support this asumption? Here are a few things to consider, he knew there would be no big volume sales going into this, He had knowledge the tune wouldn't be easy, he got information from exeperienced forum members and talked to Kleemann beforehand. On his site he sells kits that range in price from $1618.00 to $3999.00. The expensive one has a Garrett Turbo and a header style exhaust manifold. Expensive items. I don't think he is selling any of these for a loss. The Chinacharger T.28 that is going to be on ours he sells for $350.00 his cost I don't know. As far as a intercooler, couple hundred bucks, maybe.
Piping and misc. fittings he buys in bulk. He knew in pennies what the parts were worth, he has built enough of them to know.
Lots of you seem to have known this would take longer than the quoted time, why didn't you Psychics share this info with the rest of us? Would I have gone in if I knew it would take this long? Don't know , I'm not Psychic
I want my turbo and I want it now...

 

Biggest expense with any startup project is the tooling and R&D. This stuff isn't cheap... you'll have wasted material, countless man-hours, and all of that risk and expense is absorbed by the company. If you know in advance that you have a broad market (Miatas are his bread & butter) then you know you can aggressively price the kit because it will eventually break-even. A thousand widgets at $5 each is a much easier sell than 5 widgets at $1,000. I can assure you, the profit margin for the Miata kit initially wasn't that impressive. Now that they've been out a few years and have sold a thousand or so kits, maybe. But initially, there's a good chance that he didn't make a dime on the first several kits.

The difference with us is the size of the market. It simply isn't there on the broad scale. Miatas have a niche following in Grassroots motorsports. They are used as weekend toys, spec racers, etc. Crossfires are mainly used for GT coupes and curbside appeal... racers are rare amongst us.

The price point for the Crossfire turbo is not drastically higher than some of the Miata kits. But the sales numbers WILL be drastically lower, a mere fraction. If he sells enough Crossfire kits to break even, I'll be shocked. Only he would know, as only he handles the finances.

But that would certainly explain the reluctance in the build. If this was a cash cow, it would be in his best interests to crank it out sooner, as it would translate to earning money faster.

 

My only "real" complaint about things is the stringing us along like a carrot on a stick in front of a horse. It would have been nice if they would have just come on to the forum, or let DJ know to pass it on, that this is deeper than they presumed, and the completion date will be uncertain. The "in the next two weeks" scenario is getting old and has become an "I'll believe it when I see it" thing.
I have no doubt on Web3.0's ability to do a turbo, but I don't see him going out on the limb and starting a "Turbo Supply" for our cars. I wouldn't want the headaches and tech support from it! Wonder what it would take to get him to talk shop with Corky on the ECU.. (hint..hint..).. Maybe a big "Please" from all interested parties?
I know he had went to an SRT6 ecu to achieve his setup and was talking about totally reflashing the NA module, but I didn't see where he had done this.

All I know, irregardless of how long it takes, BEGi is going to be our best shot at getting a kit to market for this.
Guess that's why I cant come on here and really "slam" them for not having it done already.

 

Guess that's why I cant come on here and really "slam" them for not having it done already.[/QUOTE]

I would say that is my point in all this... I waited about this much time for the wavetrac, and I have waited a long time for other mods our vendors have been working on. A year isn't out of line on some the parts, since no one else in the world will build them. I think they will turn something out, but it may not be what everyone wants. John had a good point on the start up costs as well. It isn't cheap. If they implied they would just whip this thing out, I am sure they are sorry they stated that by now. It just isn't that easy...as others have found out time and time again... I hope it works out...

 

I must say, I am really disappointed on this project!!!! I have been following and reviewing the pictures on the site. seeing as this should have been done already especially since people have paid money...

My biggest question is, why hasn't anyone tried taking their money and thoughts to their own shops? I myself plan to do the exact same thing but buy the STS kit and construct from there...

I feel for you guys that are waiting but I think Begi will have a product that will be promising in the end... Oh yeah, I definitely think a proper tune with this system will slay the SRT-6

 

As with anyone trying to turbo the N/A I wish you luck with whatever shop and random kit you buy. If you can get it to work there are plenty people lined up that will appreciate your work and info. Unfortunately the chances of getting a huge stack of "I told you so" is much higher as the current amount of running turbo NAs in the world is still 0. I suggest doing A LOT of reading before spending any cash. If you think this thread is depressing search on turbo and see how far other threads go. This is not to say it can't be done but the road is not a short one.

 

You might want to reverse your train of thought.. unless your fond of selling on ebay.. Start with how your going to tune it for a turbo system. Don't buy into "your shops" "oh yeah we can tune that like a piano". Have them hook up to the computer and formulate a game plan from what they can access and modify in the ECU. Get past that wall and your home free. Otherwise you can already find threads and pictures of rear mounted turbo's that dead ended.