I'd like to get in on this, but i'm in VA - is there a local rep that could help with this?

 

Maybe you should wait for their dyno test results! I have mine chipped but I feel more pull in my Inazma Sun Hypervoltage system than the Upsolute chip.

Upsolute should post a dyno test done in a Crossfire and not from other cars!

 

shoot me an email or pm with your zip code and I'll see who is closest and if they want to participate.

GBs are supposed to be done through one point on contact...I'm trying to bend a bit to get the numbers to offer this deal but if it's 10 people going to 10 reps, it's not really a group buy.

 

Cyril, Have a look at the thread I linked to on page 1, there is some g-meter data there recorded by one of the members.

 

how can you guys possibly claim hp numbers without using a dyno???

 

The quoted gains on the website are based on typical dyno tests. The dyno is pictured on page one (it's a bosch, floor-installed). I've asked for some plots and have not heard back yet. I've asked some other reps to see if anyone has plots as well from a customer car. 3rd party tests are always the best IMO so that is why I linked to the other thread.

There is a 30-day money back satisfaction guarantee on the chip. You can be returned to stock and get a refund (less labor fees) if you are not satisfied.

There is a shop 10 min from my location for those who wish to baseline and re-test, it is $75 for 3 pulls with AFR. I have an obd-scanner that can be used to collect speed/time data, in-gear acceleration times, etc. for those who wish to log some data after the installation.

 

but how do you tune without dynoing every car. i assume by "typical dyno" you mean a average gain seen on other cars just plotted onto an rpm scale equivalent to our car. and the dyno shown form the other thread was a from a gtech...no tying to be a pain in the as*, but most of us want a dyno, you guys have one. you would sell ten times more with a real dyno reading.

 

HQ when developing the tuning methodology will get the real car in...ie at some point they had a crossfire come in, make some changes...test...make some changes...test...etc. until they are happy with the formula. Some cars cannot be improved upon.

MB historically leaves a good bit "on the table"...

The gtech data is interesting as this is real on-the road data ie proper airflow to the motor, temps, etc. The actual numbers can be skewed by altering the weight input of the car, road grade, etc. but of you use the same "setup" for a before and after mod test they are very accurate at noting changes.

 

by "test" do you mean dyno??

 

Yeah, I would say bring us a dyno and that will resolve our doubts! I've had mine chipped but really and truly, I don't really know what gain I have or it's just this psyche thingy! With Upsolute dyno results, it won't just give you more customers but happy drivers too!

It's just amazing why you guys are not doing a dyno in a Crossfire!

 

someone's got my back, sweet...

 

Ditto here. If Upsolute used a dyno to develop the program then there's a copy of the trace somewhere. So in my mind its very simple. Show me before and after runs on either the Crossfire or the SLK 320. If HP/Torque curves match up with my style of driving, you will have made a sale.

One problem I have with aftermarket mods like this is that the claimed horsepower gain is usually not in an RPM range that one normally operates the car (i.e. just shy of redline) and therefore is essentially useless. For example: In a former life I did before/after runs of a "performance" exhaust system. I was able to substantiate the manufacturer's claim of a 15 HP gain, but that gain occurred 200 RPM shy of redline, and there was a 13 HP LOSS in the midrange! They kinda forgot to mention that.

I'm not implying that this is what Upsolute is doing but a little transparency goes a long way. If there are trade secret issues, fine. I'll sign a non-disclosure agreement. But the bottom line for me is no dyno runs, no sale.

For an example of what I'm talking about, take a look at this link from Jackson Racing, who made the supercharger kit for my dearly departed Prelude. That plot was a major influence in my decision to buy.

 

good point about the slk or crossfire thing. i didn't realize that he said they brought a "crossfire" in, i'm almost positive thats not true, 95% sure they used an slk or another 3.2 benz and used the same program, if they did that...

 

A former forum member, WMichaels, was one if not the first to get a XF chipped by UpSolute. If you check his old posts on the subject, they did indeed use the SLK320 map on his car.

 

I would say that even though our Crossfires have an SLK320 platform but still it don't exactly relate to our cars in terms of body weight, aerodynamics in styling and bigger wheels! A Crossfire dyno would still be appropriate if Upsolute is selling this product!

Upsolute needs a good portfolio with their chip to make us believe that it really works even if it is done in somebody else's garage!

 

or maybe, just maybe, they might disappear from this thread...wait...too late...

 

I'd encourage you to post your requests for dyno plots on our forums...http://www.upsolute.com, this will provide better visibility to HQ.

For those who are concerned of course the best plan of attack is to test your own car before and after. In stock form the cars should make about 180-185 WHP.

 

i think the best plan of attack would be for the vendor to provide the statistics they claim to have.

 

Exactly...

 

Ummm Scott, you're the guy trying to make the sale so I would say that would be your job. Seriously, I appreciate you being a stand-up guy and participating in our forum -- I wish more vendors would do the same.

From my un-educated point of view here's what you have going on: You found a whole bunch of people who are really interested in your product. . . IF you can show proof it does what you say. So the question to you is how badly do you want to make the sale? If you can get HQ to cough-up a dyno run or two, you're golden! If not, see if they will pay to have before/after runs done on a volunteer's car.

I'm sure you make good margin on each sale, so it might even be worth your time to offer-up a run on your own dime. It might cost you the commission on a couple of sales but you will make that back many times over in the long-term because you can provide your customers PROOF that the thing works.


It's your move. . .