I like the way you think!!
Cats have about 250 million neurons in their brains. Dogs have twice that. Still, cats seem to have everything they need to survive and be companions. What I like best of our current cat is that she is gentle and she was kind to the 2nd love of my life, our little dog. Cats are the perfect pet; they practically take care of themselves. Dogs are the perfect friend; they're faithful to end.

 

if this is worse than science fiction or not is, at the end of the day, irrelevant.
depending on what condition each 1 finds himself, is the range of options to take, and which 1 considers the best to him.
in my case, as i have been living as isolated from human beings as possible, what this catastrophe signifies is that i will live even more isolated from human contact.
and on my situation, as retired, from now on, and thanks to my son's help, i will stay away from humans, as we are advised to do now.
this means no more shopping or getting into any place near humans.
and whenever a vaccine is available to me, i will take it, so at last i will not get this.
but this means that, just at this has happened over and over again, at any time another will hit. it is history.
and i will not make a prediction. some said that is no good to do so, because, if you fail, everybody will remember, but if you are right, nobody will.
so i will stay on guard for the next.
the good thing is that any1 can decide what measures to take, depending on his situation.
and i still will be able to do some things that i like, like driving a fantastic car, or navigating on this wonderful internet; watching pictures and documentaries. skipe...
try to see the good side of the picture. count your blessings!

 

You mean the COVID-19 virus?

 

indeed

 

......................................

 

thanks phil,,,,the first thing i though of was the show "The last ship" search for it ,,, great show.
or read the novel by William Brinkley.

 

Jim, I agree on both the TV series and the book, however one had almost nothing to do with the other.

 

My bad i never read th book, just knew of it,

 

here is it: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Last_Ship_(novel)
i didnt read it until now. neither the show. and what counts is the message.
anyway, what i think is relevant is how we face this, depending on our particular situation..... so, keep the positive attitude.

 

Just finished "Dune" for the 4th time, guess "The Last Ship" is next ( for the 3rd time )

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dune_(novel)

 

conclusions
we may opt to appreciate what good we still have.
so each 1 has to do so, depending on his situation.
count our blessings instead of what we dont have anymore.

 

and, on a happy note.....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OJKM...ature=youtu.be ......

 

Hope you are well, Dave.

There appears to be strong evidence that many of us have immunity. I've been working long hours, but finally remembered to post this for you:
Immune warriors known as T cells help us fight some viruses, but their importance for battling SARS-CoV-2, the virus that causes COVID-19, has been unclear. Now, two studies reveal that infected people harbor T cells that target the virus—and may help them recover. Both studies also found that some people never infected with SARS-CoV-2 have these cellular defenses, most likely because they were previously infected with other coronaviruses.

Source:
https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020...term-immunity#

 

I think we can all agree trying to understand posted information from 'experts' (?) can be hard to understand or relate to. Please just remember these things may be riddled with confusing and muddled (if not outright wrong) information.


There are researched clinical facts, conjecture, but most of the stuff out there is not only WAY beyond the simple lives almost ALL of us live, but it is PICKED APART by all the media, many who think they now what is going on, and those who are microscopically focused on the actual research by those tasked that would rather use the time they have to BETTER solve this than to get sound bytes on TV and such (ie internet/print media). Suffice to say (in MY very limited 23 years of mandatory practical biological warfare training), that this virus has a LONG WAY to go in the process of identification (much done, continues into the morphing of itself and onward), and lifespan/recurrence in not only the current version but also in its recurring adaptations coming to focus and attention NOW. I just pray the ones with all the letters after their names on the walls of the scientific community, gets this nailed down SOONER rather than later WITHOUT taking any risks greater than can be tolerated within the populations of the world.


IF you see something on any media, understand it may be days, weeks, or months old AND if CURRENTLY ACCURATE then watch out for miswritten, and/or hard to contemplate/confusing to a layperson (like ME). No matter how many times this series of the latest 'coronavirus' named CoVid-19 hits the media waves (in its entirety), the information may have been passed along INACCURATELY at best, or false at worst. I just pray that I and anyone I know of and love, do not come down with the FATAL version of this dangerous virus (whether it was produced or nature-made). When it comes to things like this, it usually takes YEARS to get to the point of NEAR complete (if you can agree on any particular stage of this as 'near complete') understanding. Up to now, I think there are many many more questions than the briefed laypersons releases of answers I hope we know right now. Hunker down (notice I didn't say lock yourself in a home or shelter), distance yourself and others, and BE CAREFUL, is the best thing for JQP (John Q Public)! I can follow some of the scientific data out there IF it is very well written BUT I can tell you I have NO WORKING knowledge of the impact even 100% accurate information will have on me or the rest of the world.


.

 

It can. But there are some things we know (after reading enough material).

1) SARS-COV-2 is related to SARS, and we know a LOT about SARS. (In fact, this infection was referred to as "SARS" by WHO and the Chinese up until mid-January of this year.)
2) SARS-COV-2 is a corona virus, and we know a LOT about corona virus'. (This is what is driving all the "conspiracy talk" - we know how these infections spread from animal to human - and it is not an easy transition. The research going on in Wuhan was looking into how to make such virus jump to humans easier, the stated purpose was to learn more how to stop it.)
3) SARS-COV-2 is a VIRUS and we certainly know a lot about virus in general. (NO virus can withstand UV radiation, for example. As to temperature and humidity, well, various virus' will have widely different tolerances - HIV, for example, cannot survive outside of a very limited temperature range - hence the reason you cant spread it without essentially intimate contact.)

As to your statements about the media (and how unreliable information from the media is), I certainly agree. But I don't get my information from the media. I have not owned a TV since 2008, I do not watch TV news and don't listen to news on the radio outside of very limited sources - and even those, I question ever word I hear. I gather information from sources, based on who I believe is capable of first-hand or near first hand information. FOR EXAMPLE: I get my information on SARS-COV-2 from:

1) WHO (I don't really trust them, but by watching what they have been saying since January 2, I think I have gathered a lot of information, even from them, and yes, even tho they lied and "carried the water" for the CCP.)
2)) The Chinese (Again, don't trust them, but by listening to them since mid January, tracking how they change their story, etc., I think I have gleaned a lot from them.)
3) My three friends who are qualified to explain this stuff (a bio-chemist, a chemical engineer and a close friend of generic description.)
4) My doctors. (Both GP and cardiologist)
5) The Italians, Swedes, Australians, etc.
6) A few conspiracy-friendly persons. (I question every thing they say, same as 1 to 5 above, as great counsel is found in many advisors, even those I think I disagree with; if an argument can't withstand the critique of a critic, the argument is not solid. All things are possible, but not all things are reasonable.)


I also use my own eyes to evaluate what is going on. For example, we now know:

1) The infection is real and certainly is dangerous to the aged - the aged with vulnerabilities are at great risk.
2) And yet, the lethality of the infection was exaggerated. (I was exposed in February, as it moved thru the office, two ladies got very sick, none of the rest of us did.)
3) The virus has mutated more than expected, personally, I still cant resolve if the worst strains are the original strains or are mutations.
4) The advent of summer (higher temps, higher UV) is slowing the spread. (I said it over and over again, look at the world map - it was summer in the southern Hemisphere when this broke out in December/January - look at where the infections were worse: The Northern Hemisphere.)

IS this really over our heads, as you say? Well, sure. But this is not stuff we cannot learn - if we could not learn this stuff, sending kids to school would be a waste of time - we CAN learn about anything. But googling "COVID" is a waste of time, you are filtering OUT all the fundamental information you are looking for. Iv'e personally learned a lot since January 2. Again, NO virus can tolerate UV radiation; this is fundamental. Don't google "Corona" to learn about this, read generic papers on virus' and corona virus'. If you filter for papers released before summer 2019, you will filter out that which has been published recently, which is understandably focused on SARS-COV-2.

I refuse to be told what to think, or what to fear, or what to do. I have spent countless hours since this started (for me, that was January 2) trying to learn all I could. I've not missed ONE DAY of work - I don't wear a mask but I do follow hand washing and some distancing guidelines. I also am taking Vitamin A, B6, B12, C, D and D3 in quantities that my research says I should be. (I actually take all of that all the time, except for C and D3.)

Were I off work the past two months, I'd know a LOT more than I do - but I have limited time, as Im working MORE hours now than I was before March 19. Knowledge IS power, but as you have said, watching TV news is not any way to gain knowledge.

 

Again, for those who read fast (or for those who can't read thru my poorly-worded post!) the reason I say you should NOT search for "CORONA" or "COVID" texts, is because that is not what you need. What you need is fundamental knowledge of virus' and corona virus'. SARS-COV-2 is not magically different from SARS or HIV, etc. What one must do is to FIRST learn the fundamentals of the topic at hand. If you search "COVID", you are not likely to learn much about viral infections or methods of transmission, you will get hits and new stories narrowly focused on COVID. That gets you no nowhere, might as well just watch TV!

 

MUCH better. Education IS the key like Mark replied, I guess I should be updating my calling it the CoVid-19? Nice clarification Mark! Let me catch you up on one thing though, it isn't only the elderly with risk factors, we all must modify our understanding of this thing in its current and future projected versions! I know statistically this association with minority AGE group contamination/sicknesses currently investigated, I just want to point out virus' are not only tricky but also (in this stage) all a CRAP SHOOT in the span of the processes we have to (as a world people).


KISS, something I learned a LOOOOOOONG time ago and never forgot (yet), Keep It Simple, Silly.


Hunker down (notice I didn't say lock yourself in a home or shelter), distance yourself and others, and BE CAREFUL, is the best thing for JQP (John Q Public)! Too bad many don't care to understand this ESPECIALLY core families. There are many associations linking this to all population age groups WORLDWIDE.


.

 

Next to “never exceed 4,000RPM’s”, “ listen to science" may be the most ridiculous advice ever, for is not truth. It is the SEARCH for truth. We constantly hypothesize, experiment and tweak. Once we learn something, it usually gives us the gift of several new unanswered questions.

There was no 'science' on the current viral outbreak. There were hypotheses, models.......but no real data until the virus existed in the West for two months. All of the 'science' was more 'opinion' and 'speculation' ...leading to models showing deaths in the millions

Compare the current outbreak of 8 billion people in world. Five months into outbreak: ONLY 3 million cases worldwide. That is 0.0375%.

With the 2017-18 flu season IN ONLY THE US: 45 million influenza illnesses, 21 million medical visits, 810,000 influenza-related hospitalizations, and 61,000 deaths.

No lockdowns in 2017-18. No $2.5 trillion in new debt. No Liberty lost. Stock and job markets intact. ?????

 Inflammation is an immune response where white blood cells divide and grow, rebuilding tissue. But it is when our communication systems become the harbingers of social cancer-when dissenting opinions counter the “listen to science” when it runs against the grain of Facebook and Google, growing and growing until the lungs are covered in scar tissue, the eyes, ears, and mouth scab over, and deaf dumb and blind we abide.

Mayors and Governors has decreed that the lock down will continue until there is a definitive cure. Cure for the flu, the common cold, AIDS, and cancer. A cure for death. And we fought revolutions and wars. We have armed ourselves with the might of hell fire and yet we shrivel against the exhalations of a sniveling bureaucrat. How far the mighty have fallen.

We can make this evil an occasion for despair, or we can choose to see it as a “severe mercy” for our benefit, our joy, and ultimately, the belief in the magnificent resiliency of mankind.

 

Hear Here!...Thumbs UP^..(o7) a salute for that post! WWG1WGA