I couldn't agree more with JoeO's post.

Please repeat to yourselves 4 times:
The majority of infected people show no symptoms.

 

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Just something on the funny side.

 

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Sharyl Attkisson | Full Measure has a syndicated 'news' expose' show. This last weekend she highlighted the people on the board evaluating hydroxychloroquine and the other drug remdesivir many are pushing ( Hydroxychloroquine | Full Measure ). Sideline any bias until after you watch this short 10 minute presentation. You'll see where the money is and why no one wants to believe the drug hydroxychloroquine is beneficial. Keep an open mine!


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Onehundred80, my number of 3 million worldwide Coronavirus cases was 2 weeks old, and I stand corrected on that. Today’s John Hopkins total is 4,798,000, making the US death rate 30% of world total, not 50% as you said.

Adding to the fact 4 things about reported data on Coronavirus.
#1) everyone knows worldwide reporting is extreamly inaccurate and misleading.
#2) CDC freely admits that cause of death claims are not to be believed.
#3) each day more Americans are tested across the country leading to a mortality rate of less that 1.5%
#4) I don’t know how you can say the cases that are added to the totals are proven cases. CNN report that ??

 

Thank you Joe. but be aware that Johns-Hopkins is a Liberal-Socialist organization (with endorsement and support From Michael Bloomberg), and should be regarded with suspicion.
Good information can be found (with difficulty) @ CDC, but "who you gonna trust, when everyone's a liar?".
that last phrase is from a 21st Century pop song; can anyone identify it?

 

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All I know is I am 76 years old and at high risk. I intend to be overly cautious. The more of us high risk individuals that die the less strain on Social Security and the pension system. We are expendable and that makes me suspicious of a lot of the info we are getting. Just be careful and aware my friends.

 

Onehundred80, ......Research shows people get infected without showing any symptoms at all. People with milder versions of the illness are underrepresented in official case counts, since they may not be sick enough to seek medical attention or realize they have anything more than a cold. Meaning .........the total number of reported cases is an underestimate—and by not counting many mild or asymptomatic cases, we’re overestimating the disease’s overall mortality rate. Some even think the rate can be 1% or less.

As testing networks are broadened to catch people with less serious illnesses, case counts then reflect this and mortality rates go down.

you may be wondering why this underreporting continues. ???

Well, think Election Year..........there are many forces in play to prolong the fear and to make this seem far worse than it is, and the steady drumbeat of 24 blue state Governors to resist opening up the economy plays into the malaise they want to create. You cannot watch a press conference without seeing the seething hate of the media.

Have you heard CNN discussing the under reporting of cases ?

smell the coffee, Onehundred80

 

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MOST ppl have NO idea how hard it is to produce/ship/mobilize/test EVERY citizen in the USA. IT takes TIME! First DOCTORS are the PRIMARY director of tests, when they direct that test It MUST be there to administer. Then it get sent out to read, then the results are sent back/posted. All that administrative crapola follows. BEFORE any treatment (when you presented to a healthcare person) should begin (testing/evaluating), you need to do a workup. NO ONE can order themselves a test UNTIL they are generally available, and then it should ONLY be administered by a competent person directed to do so! I don't know about many other people but I cannot expel (put mildly) a test no matter how hard I try. PANIC and agendas drive the hysteria. Go to a doctor/person authorized to administer a test, it is the FIRST step you need to do to get diagnosed. THEN a whole lot of things follow. Testing is not going to do anyone any good until those who are SICK are identified/researched/treated. The rest is secondary (which is now being done but for many, not soon enough.

I also am at risk, as is my MRS as well (both 65 and I am additional risk) so I am isolating until things get more under control. I do not trust many who call themselves 'experts', especially those who are supposed to be balanced in their evaluations of treatment options (see my post about the extreme bias in drugs for temporary treatments). It is up to the INDIVIDUAL to isolate/protect themselves until a proven treatment is WIDELY available (not too soon by a long shot).

IMHO this all is driven by MOSTLY MONEY (from new drugs/treatments) by using that 'P' word (yeah, o l I t I c s). PERIOD!


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It's so sad for me to stand by and watch my neighbors slowly committing suicide. We shall continue to pray. Brains and facts don't seem to be working so lets pray there is still some grace available.

 

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I agree with you but it’s probably best to leave this one alone
We have a different perspective North of the border about a large number of issues and this is one of them.

As an example of perspective differences, we’ve recently recently had the largest mass shooting in our history, an unbelievable tragedy, as a consequence the Federal Government banned a number of assault style long guns, I think there were 1500 on the list. I’m not saying that this is good or bad, I’m just calling out different perspectives and our approach was different. A weapons ban of this sort would never fly South of our border.

So too with COVID
All 50 states are now open and our border is closed for another 4 weeks. People need to work. We’ll see how the next month plays out

3-4 weeks
If the rates hold consistent and remain basically unchanged. Then there appears to be no reason to panic and just continue to practice physical distance along with washing hands often.

If the rate goes up at an alarming rate then we’ll know other measures will be required.

All we can do is wait and see

Let’s hope, for everyones sake, that rates stay down and no one has to experience the levels that New York has seen.

We all need to go back to work and finding a safe way to to it is paramount until there’s a permanent fix


A very drastic and sudden increase in the rates of infections may change perspective

Please be safe everyone

(I really need a haircut or a car from the 80’s to go with a nice mullet that’s been coming in over the past few weeks)

 

What about your taking a swipe at US at seemingly every opportunity Dave. Isn't that a form of hate? Or perhaps just arrogance. "So called Christians sound like barbarians"; really Dave? I think you need to go fishing.

 

I have given up commenting, have it your way.

 

when i started this i said that was worse than andromeda, and was told that it was not that bad.
but andromeda is just a fantasy, and this is what we have to face. reality. feels different, isnt it?
may not be as bad. but this reminds me of Dante's hell, where are several levels.
so we may not go to hell to the lowest level. great!
but still we are going to hell....
https://www.google.ca/search?hl=en&s...client=gws-wiz

 

1) I do agree the language used in the USA is a problem. Once upon a time, Ds and Rs got along and worked together. Today, anyone a person disagrees with is "an idiot" or "I hate them, I disagree with them".
I have no answer for that one.

2) Christianity has nothing to do with it, stop obsessing on YOUR hate for Christians, Christianity in the USA is on the decline. It's a SEVERE decline.

3) I have now lost count of the number of personal contacts of mine who have had COVID. None died, none are hospitalized and none are living with lasting symptoms. While your last statement is accurate, it is an extreme minority who suffer any lasting effects.

4) I told you months ago, that some of us are immune, as I suspected, it is becoming clear that I'm one of them. COVID has gone thru the office twice now in a year, Iv'e never been sick, and I don't distance or wear a mask very often, only when forced to. As I told Phil, this is NOT the Andromeda strain. This is not "worse than sci-fi".

 

What the hell does COVID have to do with Dante's Hell? What fantasy world do you live in?

 

so you dont get it, eh?

 

Not wearing a mask or distancing yourself disrespects all that you meet, you are not immune and you may be an asymptomatic carrier, who knows. I would refuse to work near you if you flaunted the basic rules.
If we all consciously abide by the rules, believing them or not we could lick this in a year.
I have had my first shot and believe it should be taken by everyone when given the opportunity.
I do not hate christians or any other religion, I just wish they would all go away. I dismiss only one more god than you.