Check this out. I find this to be very disappointing power output in toyota's v6 motors. Check out all the technology they put into their engines only to put out hp numbers dominated by less technically advanced 3 liter motors from other manufactures. The only decent motor is the 5.7 v8, What is this crap?

4.0L DOHC 24V V6 with Variable Valve Timing with Intelligence (VVT-i)
236 Horsepower @ 5,200 rpm
266 Torque @ 4,000 rpm (lb.-ft.)
Aluminum block with aluminum heads. Acoustically Controlled Induction System (ACIS) - dual stage intake manifold
Compression ratio: 10.0:1
Emissions: LEV II
Recommended fuel: 87 octane or higher4.7L DOHC 32V i-FORCE V8 with Variable Valve Timing with Intelligence (VVT-i)
271 Horsepower @ 5,400 rpm
313 Torque @ 3,400 rpm (lb.-ft.)
Cast-iron block with aluminum heads. Acoustically Controlled Induction System (ACIS) – dual stage intake manifold
Compression ratio: 10.0:1
Tow hitch receiver, 7-pin connector, trailer brake control prewire, supplemental transmission cooler, transmission temperature gauge, 4.100 rear axle ratio,
Emissions: ULEV II
Recommended fuel: 87 octane or higher 5.7L DOHC 32V i-FORCE V8 with Dual Independent Variable Valve Timing with Intelligence (VVT-i)
381 Horsepower @ 5,600 rpm
401 Torque @ 3,600 rpm (lb.-ft.)
Aluminum block with aluminum heads. Acoustically Controlled Induction System (ACIS) – dual stage intake manifold
Compression ratio: 10.2:1
Tow hitch receiver, 7-pin connector, trailer brake control prewire, supplemental transmission cooler, TOW/HAUL mode, transmission temperature gauge, 4.300 rear axle ratio
Emissions: ULEV II
Recommended fuel: 87 octane or higher

 

The 4.0L and 4.7L could easily have had another 30-40 bhp produced by them. You are right, only the 5.7L is decent.

 

What else do you expect from the car company that builds the most uninspired automobiles in the world? Even with the untold millions they're throwing into Formula 1 they can't seem to build a "performance car".

I posed this question to a fellow Formula 1 fan the other day: If Felipe Masa's (Scuderia Ferrari) company car is a Ferrari F430, Fernando Alonso's (McLaren Mercedes) is a McLaren SLR, Nick Heidfeld's (BMW Sauber) is a BMW M6 and Adrian Sutil's (Spyker) is a Spyker C12 Zagato, what does Ralf Schumacher get? A Camry? No wonder he's so slow.

 

Ever seen a Supra Twin-Turbo?

276 HP / 260 Lb/Ft of torque in stock form. 300+ HP is available pretty easily with minor aftermarket mods...

 

Now mention a Toyota sports car still in production that comes even close to a Ferrari F430, Mercedes McLaren SLR, BMW M6, or Spyker C12 Zagato in performance.

 

Here's the specs for the V6 '07 Camry.
LE V6 SE V6 XLE V6 Engine 3.5-liter DOHC 24-valve
Dual VVT-i V6
268 hp @ 6,200 rpm
248 lb.-ft. @ 4,700 rpm Standard Ignition Electronic, with Toyota Direct Ignition (TDI) Transmission 6-speed electronically controlled automatic overdrive with intelligence (ECT-i)Standard Drivetrain Front engine, front-wheel drive Body construction Unitized body with front and rear vibration-dampening sub-frames Suspension MacPherson strut front suspension with gas-filled shock absorbers and stabilizer bar; dual-link independent MacPherson strut rear suspension with gas-filled shock absorbers and stabilizer bar (SE adds sport-tuned shock absorbers and springs, strut tower and trunk-mounted braces) Steering Variable-assist power rack-and-pinion Turning circle diameter, curb to curb (ft.) 36.136.136.1 Brakes Power-assisted ventilated front/solid rear disc Standard 4-channel 3-sensor Anti-lock Brake System (ABS) with Electronic Brake-force Distribution (EBD) and Brake Assist [4] Standard Vehicle Stability Control (VSC) [5] with Traction Control (TRAC) Available

 

the Supra actually made 320 hp stock IIRC. The advertised 276 number was part of the Japanese "Gentleman's Agreement" where car manufacturers would agree to only advertise a max output of 276 hp. Only recently have they recanted it.

and FWIW to you toyota fans, the new supra concept... http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do...ticleId=118933

 

Sure, and Chrysler used to build the Hemi 'Cuda, Honda the NSX, etc. But what does Toyota build today that generates any kind of driving excitement? Toyota seems to have lost their way in this department.

Look at the specs below on the new Camry. Those numbers are amazingly close to the old Supra Twin Turbo numbers, and from a naturally aspirated V6...in a Camry of all things!! My how times have changed. But a Camry is certainly not the type of car an enthusiast goes for when looking for a sedan, not when BMW, Audi and Infinity make what they do.

 

Nope, not anymore... though I have to say that power output from a twin turbo supra is down right sad can't it put out anymore in stock form?

 

My 2005 4Runner has this engine.
It makes enough power for me.

What engines impress you (in affordable cars that is)?

 

Could be worse. The Red Bull/Torro Rosso drivers probably just get a case of Red Bull.

BTW, wasn't the European GP great? I love F1 in the rain.

 

That race was amazingly entertaining. So cool to see water spraying up from an F1 car doing 200 mph.

 

and yet the v6 crv does the quarter mile as fast as a n/a crossfire. that's sad.

 

The Honda CR-V is a 4 cylinder, 166 horsepower crossover weighing 3,400 lbs, which does the 1/4 mile in 17 seconds. Which CR-V are you thinking of?

 

sorry, i mean the rav-4, since we were on the topic of toyota's, typo.

 

Those camry's are also quick too, the ones with v6's in them that is but would you take the rav4 around a corner at 55 mph? lol.

I could care less about toyota nowadays, they lost all their cool factor, I would rather buy a GM product over a toyota.

 

I definitely would not, and the crossfire was a hell of alot of fun on the track, but i think it still says a lot about the xfire that it can't beat an economy small suv/crossfire to 60 or in the quarter. I'm tellin you, if they had put the benz 3.5 in this car instead of the 3.2 it would have sold like crazy. I'm still bitter that we never had any after market for this car, even though I don't have it anymore. It had so much potential.

 

Here's a reality check for everyone. The Kia Sorrento makes more power than that out of it's 3.8 Liter CVVT V6 @ 264 HP and it gets better fuel economy... And Cost A LOT less, and has a MUCH better Warranty package. Hell new Toyotas don't even come with Road Side Assistance anymore. It's quite clear to me that Toyota is now selling their vehicles off of pure reputation at this point. Their products are generally not that competitive and cost too Much. On top of being boring and bland, I see people wising up to this in the next few years and Toyota slipping back in line where they were back in the 90's...

But hey, I'm just your average JAP hater. I wouldn't drive a Asian branded car if you gave to me anyway. Interesting enough, the ONLY Toyota ('01 Celica GT-S 6 Speed) that I've ever owned was the least reliable and most uncomfortable of all my 17 cars that I've owned. The only exception to that person rule would be a rotary powered Mazda. They have true passion, and I've happily owned three of them and would again if they made one with any guts.

 

Whoa.
Who knew that me saying that my 4Runner has the 4.0 V6 would elicit such drama.

The Kia has more power - that does not impress me a great deal.
The Kia has roadside assistance - that's fine, I've never needed roadside assistance on my Hondas or Toyota.

The Kia may well be able to be driven for 10 years and 200k miles, but until they build up what I consider to be a solid reputation for durability and reliability, I'll stick with my other brands (being Honda and Toyota for my daily drivers).

And anyway, if you are such a 'JAP hater,' why are you boasting about a Kia? Perhaps you are only a 'JAP hater' and not a 'S. Korea hater.'

 

I'm not too terribly worried about how quick my N/A Crossfire is or isn't in the 1/4 mile. I know my PT Cruiser Turbo will outrun it in a straight line (it turns 14.4 in the 1/4 at California Dragway in Fontana) but the Crossfire will run circles around it. Here's 2.4L of turbocharged DOHC 4 banger with the Stage 1 upgrade and a few other bits, making in the neighborhood of 250 HP and 280 lb-ft. I know guys making 500 HP plus with this engine in both SRT4 Neons and PT Cruisers, and these are daily drivers. There's a little engine with a boat load of potential.