Here is the article on the older kit: http://www.turbomagazine.com/tech/04..._supercharger/
The newer versions is coming to me over an e-mail soon.

Bottom line for this upgrade:
I just called Thomas Knight and he actually has done one of this on a xfire and he got 5 lb of boost and about 75 HP (with the old kit in 2005 for $6K on a silver xfire, whose is it?). He offered the new kit to me at $1,600. Then I got to get 2 batteries and custom pipes from the super charger to the throttle body (our engine lid would be nothing more then for looks) so all parts for $2,200. The labor is 15-20 hours from a competition audio shop at $40 hr = $800. So now we can discuss 75 HP at $3K.

The new kit:
- no need for a new alternator.
- no need for a NOS like button, it will be gas pedal operated.
- 2 extra batteries instead of 4, they will do 10 1/4 mile runs and recharge in 1 hour of driving on a stock xfire.
No there is no dyno on the silver xfire, unless we can find the owner. There are dynos on other vehicles for now. It would be nice to get a Florida/Miami volunteer for this part, if not any one will be fine.

 

damn, i thought that it had to be 3 liters or less. this is the **** right here, i hope this is for real, maybe i will keep the xfire if it is.

 

I thought so too, that is why I bought the super e-ram. So this one is for real and he actually has put this kit on a viper so the info we had is out dated!

 

Well, that spends my christmas bonus...

 

$2,200, i may have to look into this very deeply. i got friends that can install it.

 

Keep me up to date. I'm very interested in this!!

 

Price update (normal price $1,695):
THIS IS NOT A GROUP BUY.

By DEC. 1st its $1,500 or a small deposit to hold the deal.
Military price by DEC 1st is $1,400 or a small deposit to hold the deal.
I calculated that my all said and done price will be $2,200 if the labor is about 15 hours.
Please check back for his e-mail to me, on pictures and more info.

 

how much of a down payment would it take to hold it at that price. if a few hundred bucks will do it i'm in, then i'll buy it after i buy everyone's christmas gifts.

 

i read that article about a year back. its awesome. they picked up 100 whp on an altima, went from running 18's to 15's. it basically is nitrous. do you think we should run an extra injector. this would at least make my crossfire fun to drive until the lease is over, i need power. with 75 whp we would probably be around 13-13.4, which is more than average, it would be amazing. but yeah, they ran an extra injector, a 550 cc, do you think we should too, or does he?

 

More air, more fuel. That is the rule.

The SRT6 has larger injectors than the base or limited to make up for the increased fuel consumption while the supercharger is in full swing.

I'd have to check the specs on the injectors to give you the size differences.

 

OK this sounds great and all, but who is going to adjust the computer for the pressurized intake.
From the size of this little blower, I'm assuming you will need at least two, to even feed the 3.2l motor.

Does this price include all the plumbing, piggyback computer, fuel injectors, BOV of come sort? What does the total package run about?

How much psi is this able to produce?

I would like to see video of an actual car that has been equipped do a 1/4 mile run or a dyno run of some sort.

 

your posts seem uninformed more often than not? did you even read the article. all they had to do was bolt it up and take off. they ran the psi up to 10, which proved to be too much so they added an injector and felt very safe running 8. and no it doesn't include plumbing, psupuerti said that in his initial post, but it wont cost a whole lot to bend a few pipes. bov really aren't that necessary unless you are running 30+ psi, and very rarely are they used on a supercharger, which this in essence is. and what total package are you talking about? did you just make this "total package" up in your head. psuperati gave what i thought was a very accurate estimate, $2,200 dollars for what it comes with and the custom plumbing. another $800 if you or somewhat you know cant install it so $3,000 grand for at least 75 whp. i say at least because most of the cars who have had this product see 85-100 whp. so please dynamicS, read links, research, get some info before you post. it seems like every post you make is just pure opinion and isn't supported by research or facts.

p.s. one additional advantage of this thing is that it requires to batteries in the back. while this sucks for trunk space, think about how it can help balance out the weight distribution front and rear. anyone know what that is stock btw?

 

x'ed,

Evidently you didn't read the details of the system last posted by psuperti. It shows an alternator shaft, belt driven unit that is NOT electric.

Details from the Tomas Knight website state...
This is a belt driven turbo charger, not an electric super charger. Please keep on the same page people, we don't need any more friction here than necessary.

Lastly, the ECU should easily be able to compensate for 5-6 PSI. Anything more than that and you probably would have to have your ECU A:F ratios remapped.

 

ha. i guess, but a "belt driver turbocharger" sounds like a pretty good definition of a centrifugal supercharger. belt driver sort of eliminates the turbocharger side of things. but i guess they can name it whatever they like.

 

p.s. since you seemed to want to think im wrong though, here is a little something. food for though by some car guys.
http://forums.corvetteforum.com/showthread.php?t=306485

they explain it better than me, but the fact is in the auto world if its driven by a belt - its a supercharger, if its driven by air, its a turbocharger. remember, dynamicS is the one confusing things, not me. i read every last sentence.

 

It's not a turbocharger if it doesn't use a turbine to turn the compressor.

 

x'ed,

I was only quoting what the company is calling it. Semantics aside... I think that you were asking about adding the two batteries in the trunk area when the unit shown was clearly belt driven and not electrical in nature.

Cheers!

 

Go here: http://www.boosthead.com/product.php?id=18
after you read it all...
look at the dynos...
watch the video you wanted to see...
then will talk, ok?
it should all look like this:

Click on one!

V6 Avenger Dynos


Moroso Timeslip 2/8/04

Moroso .WMV (6.3MB)

ESC INSTALLATION INSTRUC

 

I tried to click on the link to the article and it wouldn't load for me, so NO I did not read the article!

OK so they where able to get 10 psi, but that's just pressure and may not be sufficient volume of air to feed the 3.2 motor. And this system might create a large amount of lag time before it will provide a full 8 psi to the motor due to such small impeller and trim size. Also if you are running the stock intake manifold, that is also quite a bit of plenum volume to fill on top of filling the pistons. so there is more lag time created by filling the NA tuned intake.

When I referred to "Total Package" I was wondering how much for a completed kit, much like an Edelbrock turbo kit for a Honda.

Now, my question is, you think that dinky little blower will produce 75 hp? I don't think so, I just cant fathom that blower can possible put out any CFM. It's hardly being overdriven by the pulleys. I could be wrong, but have this Knight guy post some actual dimensions an specs of this alternator supercharger on his website so we can accurately criticize it before making a $1,500 purchase.
I believe Kleenmans Supercharger puts out 6 psi, but it has much more impeller area to flow a decent amount of CFM.

You lost me on the paragraph about mounting batteries in the trunk, please explain that?

 

it is belt driven but in order for that to happen there are two batteries attached to the alternator to increase recharging time. and i understand you were just quoting the company, but its not a turbocharger. no harsh feelings, just pointing it out so there is no confusion. i enjoy most of your posts and respect the fact that you race your crossfire, good times and cheers.