Turbo and other mods thread
I was going to post in a reply to an existing thread, but on second though, will just start one.
I haven't been on here for a long time, and read some interesting information. While not a twin turbo, I will be building a single turbo on the N/A 3.2 Crossfire. And I will tune it. Just went into production on the LX Hemi kit, Have the Ram and Cherokee Hemi's to do, and I will be fitting my personal 2004 Crossfire into the mix during the fall.
No details or other claims at this time, just that I will be doing it. Don't care if no one else wants one, mine will be. Since I am half owner, and do all the R&D and Production designs, I am pretty sure it will get done.
I will be looking into other components as well, of course exhaust would certainly be one, but don't see info on vendor stuff, so I don't want to cause a ruckus.
I am just another Crossfire lover who has means at my disposal to do some of these things.
As I said, don't want to cause a ruckus, if there is info somewhere on vendors or such, someone please point me to it, as I don't want to tick anyone off.
Thanks,
Mr MoPar
I haven't been on here for a long time, and read some interesting information. While not a twin turbo, I will be building a single turbo on the N/A 3.2 Crossfire. And I will tune it. Just went into production on the LX Hemi kit, Have the Ram and Cherokee Hemi's to do, and I will be fitting my personal 2004 Crossfire into the mix during the fall.
No details or other claims at this time, just that I will be doing it. Don't care if no one else wants one, mine will be. Since I am half owner, and do all the R&D and Production designs, I am pretty sure it will get done.
I will be looking into other components as well, of course exhaust would certainly be one, but don't see info on vendor stuff, so I don't want to cause a ruckus.
I am just another Crossfire lover who has means at my disposal to do some of these things.
As I said, don't want to cause a ruckus, if there is info somewhere on vendors or such, someone please point me to it, as I don't want to tick anyone off.
Thanks,
Mr MoPar
Last edited by YellowBee; Sep 20, 2007 at 07:36 PM.
You might try www.Mosselmanturbo.com. They make turbo kits for mercedes. They may have a kit or be able to fix you up with at least a partial kit. I have sent them a message to see what they have for us. I saw one of their twin turbo kits selling for under $4,000 Information is a little sketchy but it looks like they are getting another 100 HP from a Mercedes 6 cylinder with 6-7 lbs of boost.
If you fab everything yourself you should be able to use the stock exhaust manifold flanges with some new piping welded in. I think the exhaust manifolds will be the most tricky part of this. You might also consider a Rotrex belt driven supercharger which would require a bracket to mount it to the engine. Our engines have a perfect and natural place to mount this just above the alternator. I have seen kits for the rotrex where they have made a bracket that attached to the front of the alternator. I will send you a picture of this if you are interested in going this route. The rotrex is a new design that is very compact, gives boost on the low end like a roots style and performs on the high like a turbo.
If you fab everything yourself you should be able to use the stock exhaust manifold flanges with some new piping welded in. I think the exhaust manifolds will be the most tricky part of this. You might also consider a Rotrex belt driven supercharger which would require a bracket to mount it to the engine. Our engines have a perfect and natural place to mount this just above the alternator. I have seen kits for the rotrex where they have made a bracket that attached to the front of the alternator. I will send you a picture of this if you are interested in going this route. The rotrex is a new design that is very compact, gives boost on the low end like a roots style and performs on the high like a turbo.
Originally Posted by msheredy
Squires Turbo Systems could also be an option. Here is a link. I personally think this would be a much easier installation than trying to fit a turbo in that already crammed engine bay.
Thanks for the comments, I will check out the Mercedes and Supercharger links. We do our own system designs, bending, welding, and fabrication in house, hence the reason I know it will get done. Since I direct the prototype and production work, and it is a pet project... Well, you get the idea!
I have already planned out the location and routing, just need to get the other projects done so I can get it in on a lift.
I would be open to comments on what kind of stuff would be interesting to have available.
Thanks,
Mr MoPar
I have already planned out the location and routing, just need to get the other projects done so I can get it in on a lift.
I would be open to comments on what kind of stuff would be interesting to have available.
Thanks,
Mr MoPar
The Rotrex info was great, we will be contacting them on Monday to inquire about supplying to us for some high end projects.
What kind of performance exhaust you guys and gals want? NO $3,500 exhaust like I saw mentioned somewhere else! Cat Back, High Flow Cats? or both? What kind of tips?
I only use 304H SS (only thing better is electo polished food service grade SS!), not that 409 SS Junk. We have our own Mandrel bender, so low quantities are not an issue (don't have to make a 100 pieces!). Would probably be 2.5" diameter as that is what I run most.
I can design an exhaust in a day, so that could happen quick.
I have a brand new SRT-8 Cherokee showing up next week for the prototype system on it, should be a beast!
Mr MoPar
What kind of performance exhaust you guys and gals want? NO $3,500 exhaust like I saw mentioned somewhere else! Cat Back, High Flow Cats? or both? What kind of tips?
I only use 304H SS (only thing better is electo polished food service grade SS!), not that 409 SS Junk. We have our own Mandrel bender, so low quantities are not an issue (don't have to make a 100 pieces!). Would probably be 2.5" diameter as that is what I run most.
I can design an exhaust in a day, so that could happen quick.
I have a brand new SRT-8 Cherokee showing up next week for the prototype system on it, should be a beast!
Mr MoPar
I've been asking the exhaust manufactuers to build us an offroad system, by deleting the the cats entirly. but no one is interessted, it would also be nice to have a less restricted set of headers if they actually flow better than stock maniflds.
not exhaust related but I would like a door handle delete kit, something like a fine leather strap that replaces the hard plastic chomed door handle bar which takes up valuable knee room.
not exhaust related but I would like a door handle delete kit, something like a fine leather strap that replaces the hard plastic chomed door handle bar which takes up valuable knee room.
Last edited by Maxwell; Sep 21, 2007 at 08:47 PM.
I like the Corsa angle cut tips. I don't like their costs. Maybe its just me but I don't like 80% of the system cost to be the tips. I think others including Magnaflow have something similar just not sure if anyone has copied the Corsa angle tip. For sound I would like it to sound like a 246 Dino Ferrari (V6). Might need and Ansa muffler to do this.
exhaust wise ... i want something that is a tad better quality than the magnaflow ... something that sounds different than the borla or magnaflow, closer to the x pipe equipped crossfire on this forum but with a muffler to keep the noise level respectable and quiet enough for the daily driver.
the magnaflow loses points for its welds ... pretty sloppy from what i have seen ... their exhaust tips are great though. the lack of a true dual exhaust and x pipe are disappointing but considering the cost increase in doing it that way understandable.
overall i think they offer a great system for nearly 400 shipped ... but it could be done better i am sure by the right shop for a tad more.
the magnaflow loses points for its welds ... pretty sloppy from what i have seen ... their exhaust tips are great though. the lack of a true dual exhaust and x pipe are disappointing but considering the cost increase in doing it that way understandable.
overall i think they offer a great system for nearly 400 shipped ... but it could be done better i am sure by the right shop for a tad more.
Originally Posted by Maxwell
I've been asking the exhaust manufactures to build us an off-road system, by deleting the cats entirely. but no one is interested, it would also be nice to have a less restricted set of headers if they actually flow better than stock manifolds.
not exhaust related but I would like a door handle delete kit, something like a fine leather strap that replaces the hard plastic chromed door handle bar which takes up valuable knee room.
not exhaust related but I would like a door handle delete kit, something like a fine leather strap that replaces the hard plastic chromed door handle bar which takes up valuable knee room.
I will be taking my handles off anyway, drivers side had the chrome peel on the inside. Was going to have it replaced, but I think I am simply going to wrap with charcoal leather (maybe it's Corinthian leather!) left from my Leather interior for the Ram pickup. I will look into how a strap could be made.
Mr MoPar
Originally Posted by intenseblu
exhaust wise ... i want something that is a tad better quality than the magnaflow ... something that sounds different than the borla or magnaflow, closer to the x pipe equipped crossfire on this forum but with a muffler to keep the noise level respectable and quiet enough for the daily driver.
the magnaflow loses points for its welds ... pretty sloppy from what i have seen ... their exhaust tips are great though. the lack of a true dual exhaust and x pipe are disappointing but considering the cost increase in doing it that way understandable.
overall i think they offer a great system for nearly 400 shipped ... but it could be done better i am sure by the right shop for a tad more.
the magnaflow loses points for its welds ... pretty sloppy from what i have seen ... their exhaust tips are great though. the lack of a true dual exhaust and x pipe are disappointing but considering the cost increase in doing it that way understandable.
overall i think they offer a great system for nearly 400 shipped ... but it could be done better i am sure by the right shop for a tad more.
Magnaflow welds are machine welds, hence how they can keep the price down. Obviously ours are hand welded, sometimes we grind flush, sometimes not, depends where it is. We are looking for a TIG machine which makes beautiful welds, but won't be till later this year. Some want polished out welds, some don't care as long as they are clean.
The 409 SS Magnaflow uses (cheapest SS costs) also reflects on the welds, they don't clean up well, and of course since it is magnetic (ferrous) SS, they do rust.
Just had to weld a hanger back on the Magnaflow on my RumbleBee as it is in a high stress area, and the 409 is soft/weak and more prone to breakout after welding.
Suggest up part numbers for mufflers and tips so I can see what they look like and seek them out.
Mr MoPar
The 2nd set of cats are cats. I did a custom set up, cut the pipes off after that 2nd set and put an x pipe for compression balance then ran 2.5 polished ss duals to a polished ss dual in dual out magnaflow can which also has x chamber in it with after market chrome tips. Has a euro sports car sound. Turns a lot of heads.
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