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Old Dec 30, 2011 | 06:54 PM
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Originally Posted by VALKRYDERGUY
About $220 as I recall.
He think he lives pretty close by the shop anyway and the shop is the best place to service you car.
As Doc said ...
Have him diagnose it for sure in order to spend the cash where it needs to be spent.

Rudy is the expert locally to service our cars I assure you !!!
He is the ONLY one that will ever work on mine..unless I'm far away from home.

Bosch / Mahle Updated Fuel Filter - Regulator

Walbro 255lph In-Line Fuel Pump
yes sir, I drive 31/2 hrs one way to get to that shop, when I can't do it myself. Rudy is top notch, honest and fair...I am sure he would give you a ballpark figure. He is home for the holidays, or was, he may be back now....worth a call....
 
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Old Dec 30, 2011 | 07:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Mrmiata
Just looking at his funds.. narrow budget..even if he drove down there and back (fuel cost) and they diagnose (??more dollars)..then replacement parts and labor charge..sound like a hundred or less to you?
Certainly owning one of these cars can prove to be a financial hassle when they act up.
Some slogans that come to mind.....

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~~~Could be cheap. Could be expensive. Visa. All you need.
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Old Dec 30, 2011 | 07:21 PM
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If you haven't downloaded the service manual from here, you might want to (do a search if no one pops in with the direct link). Don't have a clue to your mechanical abilities, but this will at least let you see how "non-complex" the setup is.. I'd much rather put a new pump and filter on this car than replace the pump on my 94 silverado again!

And since we are getting a whole bunch of "best approach" opinions.. I'm just going to go sit on the sidelines at this point.
Best of luck with it my friend..
 
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Old Dec 30, 2011 | 07:26 PM
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So I went through the manual to see what's what with the pump, and while it doesnt seem that hard, I wouldn't know how to do it myself sadly :\

Regardless, I believe someone said they have a spare filter that they offered to send over? I would gladly take you up on that offer and then have Rudy put it in at his shop. I do get payed in about 2 weeks, so that would definitely help things out with the payments for Rudy.

EDIT: I also really appreciate the time and effort you guys are putting into this to help me out with possible solutions. I've never been part of a better community than this one, that's for damn sure. Cheers to you guys!
 
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Old Dec 30, 2011 | 07:45 PM
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Rudy where are you?? chime in soon ok. this guy needs help. jim

yep there is a check valve in the pump when it fails the pump is on it;s way out fuel drains back car is hard to start,,, sometimes it cranking times out and it does not start,



spoke to the guys and Rudy has gone fishing,,, this is no ploy he really has , should be back tomorrow so we should see him post soon..
 

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Old Dec 30, 2011 | 07:55 PM
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Rudy where are you?? chime in soon ok. this guy needs help. jim

yep there is a check valve in the pump when it fails the pump is on it;s way out fuel drains back car is hard to start,,, sometimes it cranking times out and it does not start,



spoke to the guys and Rudy has gone fishing,,, this is no ploy he really has , should be back tomorrow so we should see him post soon..
Thats what happens with mine, sometimes while cranking the engine sounds like a couple cylinders get a bit of gas but then none again.
 
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Old Dec 31, 2011 | 01:11 PM
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I've got 200 to play with in cash now, could rudy do it for that much? The person he replaced both for was for 220 right? Is that for both the parts and install?
 
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Old Dec 31, 2011 | 03:13 PM
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Here's something you can try to test the fuel pump and/or fuel filter theory.

You will need to remove the plastic engine cover to see it but at the front of the engine on the right side at the top is a Schraeder valve (looks like a large tire valve) for the fuel rail. Turn the key to the RUN position and then press the valve insert as if you were releasing air from a tire, if only air or sputtering fuel comes out instead of a high pressure shot of fuel your pump is probably NFG. Change the pump. Obviously this isn't as good a test as if you had put a gauge on it but it's a good indication.

To check the fuel filter and/or check valve(s) for bleeding back the test is similiar and is only valid if it passed the first test. This time turn the key on for a couple seconds then off and wait 5-10 minutes. Leaving the key off check for fuel at the Schraeder valve if there is none or it only dribbles out the fuel filter/check valve is bleeding back. Change the filter.

These tests are valid for any fuel injected vehicle only the location of the Schraeder valve would change.

Also the fuel filter and fuel pump on these cars is very accessable so don't be scared to replace them yourself only basic tools and common sense needed. As a rule of thumb whenever you change a fuel pump the fuel filter would also be changed.
 

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Old Dec 31, 2011 | 03:23 PM
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Here's something you can try to test the fuel pump and/or fuel filter theory.

You will need to remove the plastic engine cover to see it but at the front of the engine on the right side at the top is a Schraeder valve (looks like a large tire valve) for the fuel rail. Turn the key to the RUN position and then press the valve insert as if you were releasing air from a tire, if only air or sputtering fuel comes out instead of a high pressure shot of fuel your pump is probably NFG. Change the pump. Obviously this isn't as good a test as if you had put a gauge on it but it's a good indication.

To check the fuel filter and/or check valve(s) for bleeding back the test is similiar and is only valid if it passed the first test. This time turn the key on for a couple seconds then off and wait 5-10 minutes. Leaving the key off check for fuel at the Schraeder valve if there is none or it only dribbles out the fuel filter/check valve is bleeding back. Change the filter.

These tests are valid for any fuel injected vehicle only the location of the Schraeder valve would change.

Also the fuel filter and fuel pump on these cars is very accessable so don't be scared to replace them yourself only basic tools and common sense needed. As a rule of thumb whenever you change a fuel pump the fuel filter would also be changed.
I want to just change both in one shot cause now i have 200 to spare for them. It should be around that sum from what I've ben told by someone Rudy helped out.
 
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Old Dec 31, 2011 | 03:34 PM
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Why would you just throw parts/$$$ at the problem with out testing/confirming the problem first ? Sure you'll have a shiny new pump and filter but it might not solve your problem.
 
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Old Dec 31, 2011 | 06:07 PM
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Old Dec 31, 2011 | 06:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Mrmiata
Send him $500 and I'm sure he'll be more than happy to take it in for "proper diagnostics" since the opinions and symptons aren't enough to convice you where the problem lies.. or are you not that concerned since it would now involve "your" dollars? Real easy to arm chair quarterback when it's not reaching your check book. What part of "limited budget" is half of everyone missing here? When the fuel pump quit on my Chevy I didn't have to have it towed in to the dealer to tell me "your fuel pumps out". Have you taken your car in for diagnostic to know the heating element is out instead of the switch or are you planning on throwing dollars at the element and hoping?
sorry this problem ,,most of the time does not show up on a diagnostic check, and i would guess that he just wants to change both because what ever ( dirt) made the pump go bad could be in the filter, i have done the same thing changed both. jim
 
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Old Dec 31, 2011 | 06:23 PM
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250$ for the fuel pump and 50$ for the filter. save a few more bucks and do it yourself. 30 minutes to swap both
 
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Old Dec 31, 2011 | 06:28 PM
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250$ for the fuel pump and 50$ for the filter. save a few more bucks and do it yourself. 30 minutes to swap both
Think I'd have to try 2 of these first..
OEM Mercedes Fuel Pump 7.21960.04.0 721960040 Inline | eBay
 
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Old Dec 31, 2011 | 06:32 PM
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Think I'd have to try 2 of these first..
OEM Mercedes Fuel Pump 7.21960.04.0 721960040 Inline | eBay
been my experience to stick with the oem brands. may cost more but better in the long run
 
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Old Dec 31, 2011 | 06:36 PM
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And just for my future reference, since Mann has the fleece oil filter, would their fuel filters be "oem" standards?

Mann-Filter MF1095 Fuel Filter | eBay
 
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Old Dec 31, 2011 | 06:39 PM
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been my experience to stick with the oem brands. may cost more but better in the long run
OEM have lifetime replacement warrenty with free shipping? Typically would agree, but I think I could feel confident crawing out on this limb.
 
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Old Dec 31, 2011 | 06:39 PM
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And just for my future reference, since Mann has the fleece oil filter, would their fuel filters be "oem" standards?

Mann-Filter MF1095 Fuel Filter | eBay
yes mann would be considered oem as would lemforder, bosch . and for the 9 odd dollars difference ill use a well known mercedes dealership than a fleabay seller anytime. (oedicountparts.com is skyland m/b in ashville n.c.)
 
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Old Dec 31, 2011 | 06:42 PM
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It's a shame you don't live close to Tulsa, or we would be putting in a pump and filter tomorrow. I'd do it just for the experience since it's not like your pulling a motor or tranny..
 
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Old Dec 31, 2011 | 06:43 PM
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And just for my future reference, since Mann has the fleece oil filter, would their fuel filters be "oem" standards?

Mann-Filter MF1095 Fuel Filter | eBay
The OEM filter that I replaced with the Mann was a "KNECHT" made in Austria filter, part # 002 477 30 01 ( DR 0005 )
manufacturer number KL 82, made Feb 25, 2005

see : http://www.bimmerspecialist.com/part...2030%2001/7765
 

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