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Old Feb 17, 2005 | 05:33 PM
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Saskins, I swear you take stupid to an new all time level. Blocks are not ported to add cylinders. They are cast. They are cast as a unit with the holes for the cylinders in them. The 6 and 8 are NOT the same block. The additional holes are on virtually all engines and are for additional options, not to add cylinders. I really wish you had a clue as to what you are talking about, because you sound like a complete idiot.
Hobbymanbill, you are incorrect (notice I said that without insulting anyone? You should try that). Aside from getting all caught up in the semantics of "porting" vs "casting", many engines are made from modular engine blocks which can be used as V6s or V8's. This was the idea behind Ford's Modular Engine program, and is the reason why displacement on demand (such as the V8 converting to a V4 on the 300C/Magnum) technology is feasible.
 
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Old Feb 17, 2005 | 08:03 PM
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Thank you XethW for putting it so eloquently. At least I know that I'm not crazy, as far as not being able to get what I'm trying to say across. For a while there, I was thinking" well maybe I'm not saying it right." So Ooookkkk, I feel better.
 
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Old Feb 17, 2005 | 10:26 PM
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Originally Posted by XethW
Hobbymanbill, you are incorrect (notice I said that without insulting anyone? You should try that). Aside from getting all caught up in the semantics of "porting" vs "casting", many engines are made from modular engine blocks which can be used as V6s or V8's. This was the idea behind Ford's Modular Engine program, and is the reason why displacement on demand (such as the V8 converting to a V4 on the 300C/Magnum) technology is feasible.
xethw, good call on the ford modular engine program,its why the 4.6 & the 5.4 looks the same. once again, Well Done !
 

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Old Feb 17, 2005 | 10:31 PM
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Hey Babeviper,

Sorry I'm stupid, but where are the pictures?
 
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Old Feb 17, 2005 | 10:49 PM
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Hey Babeviper,

Sorry I'm stupid, but where are the pictures?
drhsh,don,t be so hard on your self, i would never use language like that. as for the pictures they should be in my gallery. click on gallery and look for my photos.
 
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Old Feb 17, 2005 | 11:06 PM
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Just goes to show you how dumb you all are. The ford mod motor changes displacement by changing heads and cranks not the number of cylinders. Blocks are not machined from solid stock, they are cast in the configuration they are, ie a flat 6,v6,v8 etc. The only machining happens when you finish the block for assembly. As in decking, align boring ( making the holes straight and square to the crank ) etc. Intake manifolds for 6's and 8's are different sizes same as the blocks, they are also cast, and then machined. You can all call me all the names you want, but one or two of you ought to reach down and pull your head out of that warm dark place that makes you think you know what you're talking about and go learn something about engines. Saskins when you learn to do anything that makes sense (including how to SPELL) some of us might pay attention to you, otherwise you just sound like a kid. A not very bright kid. By the way the v8 to v4 means only 4 cylinders are firing when demand for power goes down, it doesn't mean you turn a v8 into a v4. I'm not going anywhere, maybe you should all grow up and try to learn something.If you don't like it when I call you on something, maybe you'll learn to find out if what you're saying is true or not.
 

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Old Feb 18, 2005 | 03:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Hobbymanbill
Just goes to show you how dumb you all are. The ford mod motor changes displacement by changing heads and cranks not the number of cylinders. Blocks are not machined from solid stock, they are cast in the configuration they are, ie a flat 6,v6,v8 etc. The only machining happens when you finish the block for assembly. As in decking, align boring ( making the holes straight and square to the crank ) etc. Intake manifolds for 6's and 8's are different sizes same as the blocks, they are also cast, and then machined. You can all call me all the names you want, but one or two of you ought to reach down and pull your head out of that warm dark place that makes you think you know what you're talking about and go learn something about engines. Saskins when you learn to do anything that makes sense (including how to SPELL) some of us might pay attention to you, otherwise you just sound like a kid. A not very bright kid. By the way the v8 to v4 means only 4 cylinders are firing when demand for power goes down, it doesn't mean you turn a v8 into a v4. I'm not going anywhere, maybe you should all grow up and try to learn something.If you don't like it when I call you on something, maybe you'll learn to find out if what you're saying is true or not.
I'm glad you put such an emphasis on being correct, hobbyman I too think it's important to be correct. One should always do their research before claiming to know something, yes? I feel that way, and I'm glad you do too. Accuracy is SOOO important in life.
The ford mod motor changes displacement by changing heads and cranks not the number of cylinders.
If you go to Ford's website, you can read about how Ford's V-Mod program works - The V-mod engine block (and I am only talking about the block) is not casted in a V-6 configuration - rather, they are casted in banks of two cylinders - a V-twin more or less. The cylinder banks are then powder cintered (I may be spelling that wrong, but considering you will be rude one way or the other, I'm not going to take the time to look the spelling up) together to make a V-6 or V-8 (or feasibly even a V-4). What you are speaking of is not an aspect of Ford's Engine Mod program - you are simply talking about increasing the displacement within a single V-8 block - what most of us would call 'boring and stroking'. The entire premise of the V-mod engine program was to create an engine block that could be expanded from 6 to 8 to 10 cylinders while using the same heads, cranks, etc in order to cut costs. If you remember, the first concept version of the Ford GT did not use a supercharged 4.6V8 - it used a 6.0 V10 from the V-mod program, which was going to be Ford's flagship engine that would go in all of their cars using 6 cylinders and up. I do not claim to know as much about cars as everyone, or even most people on this forum - however, I do read before opening my mouth and spouting off to everyone how dumb everyone else is, in the hope I don't appear to be an ignorant moron (I am aware you may think of me as an ignorant moron, but I take that as a form of compliment - much like Galileo must have felt when the Church called him a childish imbecile for declaring the earth revolved around the sun).
 
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Old Feb 18, 2005 | 05:16 PM
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My dad could beat up your dad!
 
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Old Feb 18, 2005 | 05:24 PM
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Hahahaha! That's awsome Ya! my Dad can beat everyone up in this forum!
 
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Old Feb 18, 2005 | 05:58 PM
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Hahahaha! That's awsome Ya! my Dad can beat everyone up in this forum!
MY DAD'S DEAD!!!!!!
[just kidding]
 
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Old Feb 18, 2005 | 08:45 PM
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and hobbyman is everyones *****....
 
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Old Feb 18, 2005 | 08:52 PM
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Did anyone hear record scratch....God were such children
 
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Old Feb 19, 2005 | 09:27 AM
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its funny though....
 
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Old Feb 20, 2005 | 02:21 AM
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Its totally funny
 
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Old Feb 21, 2005 | 01:53 PM
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srt-6 roadster, hey bud the pictures have been up for 2 days now. and it seems to me that you don,t know these cars at all. theres only one air box for the car , and it sits on top of the engine, not one box off to the side. the pictures are in general section of this form. i think if you or the friends you know, really had crossfires or a mercedes you would know whats up on this matter.
I think I figured out the confusion. You have a 'regular' crossfire and not the SRT-6, correct? When I read abou the airbox mod for some reason I was fixated on the SRT-6 and not the Crossfire in general.
 
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Old Feb 21, 2005 | 10:07 PM
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I'm glad you put such an emphasis on being correct, hobbyman I too think it's important to be correct. One should always do their research before claiming to know something, yes? I feel that way, and I'm glad you do too. Accuracy is SOOO important in life.
If you go to Ford's website, you can read about how Ford's V-Mod program works - The V-mod engine block (and I am only talking about the block) is not casted in a V-6 configuration - rather, they are casted in banks of two cylinders - a V-twin more or less. The cylinder banks are then powder cintered (I may be spelling that wrong, but considering you will be rude one way or the other, I'm not going to take the time to look the spelling up) together to make a V-6 or V-8 (or feasibly even a V-4). What you are speaking of is not an aspect of Ford's Engine Mod program - you are simply talking about increasing the displacement within a single V-8 block - what most of us would call 'boring and stroking'. The entire premise of the V-mod engine program was to create an engine block that could be expanded from 6 to 8 to 10 cylinders while using the same heads, cranks, etc in order to cut costs. If you remember, the first concept version of the Ford GT did not use a supercharged 4.6V8 - it used a 6.0 V10 from the V-mod program, which was going to be Ford's flagship engine that would go in all of their cars using 6 cylinders and up. I do not claim to know as much about cars as everyone, or even most people on this forum - however, I do read before opening my mouth and spouting off to everyone how dumb everyone else is, in the hope I don't appear to be an ignorant moron (I am aware you may think of me as an ignorant moron, but I take that as a form of compliment - much like Galileo must have felt when the Church called him a childish imbecile for declaring the earth revolved around the sun).
Well partner you and the other children should learn a little more before you spout off. Everything you just said is BS. The ford mod motor was always designed as a V8. It was designed to be an overhead valve (both 2, 3 &4 valve) engine that by using different cranks,Sleeves, and heads could be configured in different displacements (not different numbers of cylinders)> maybe you should do a little more reading!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
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Old Feb 22, 2005 | 12:46 AM
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Well partner you and the other children should learn a little more before you spout off. Everything you just said is BS. The ford mod motor was always designed as a V8. It was designed to be an overhead valve (both 2, 3 &4 valve) engine that by using different cranks,Sleeves, and heads could be configured in different displacements (not different numbers of cylinders)> maybe you should do a little more reading!!!!!!!!!!!!
Me and the other children...hmm, not that you mention it, you do come off as someone between, let's say, 14 and 16 years old. However, I understand it's very difficult to make good impressions online, and once you get a reputation, it's hard to shake...I'm sure you're a very nice guy, just not such a hot communicator online. OK, I can accept that - I myself have let emotions and ego cause me to say things that were kind of childish. I think I'm right, you think you're right, we're never going to convince the other...sounds like you and I have exhausted this thread's usefulness.

So, what do you know about superchargers?
 
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Old Feb 22, 2005 | 12:10 PM
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"I think I'm right, you think you're right, we're never going to convince the other."



I'm so glad you think you're right, whatever you do don't let any nasty little facts get in the way of you thinking you're right. The difference between intelligence and feeling good is vast. Obviously you would rather feel good. I know how difficult it can be to actually check to see if you are right. You know, actually going to the Ford web site and READING about the Ford Modular engine program. As I'm sure you know, that was the engine originally designed for the front wheel drive Lincoln.
 

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Old Feb 22, 2005 | 12:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Hobbymanbill
"I think I'm right, you think you're right, we're never going to convince the other."



I'm so glad you think you're right, whatever you do don't let any nasty little facts get in the way of you thinking you're right. The difference between intelligence and feeling good is vast. Obviously you would rather feel good. I know how difficult it can be to actually check to see if you are right. You know, actually going to the Ford web site and READING about the Ford Modular engine program. As I'm sure you know, that was the engine originally designed for the front wheel drive Lincoln.
LOL.
You are a very amusing individual
 
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Old Feb 22, 2005 | 10:03 PM
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Hey Guys,

I'm fairly new to this site but have been a member or several others. I have never seen such UGLY rhetoric!!!! Isn't the spirit of this site to share ideas with each other and enhance our enjoyment of our Crossfires?? Aren't we just a little "off base" arguing the construction of Modular Ford motors?? Give it a rest!
 
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