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Old Mar 1, 2018 | 04:03 AM
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Hi there,

So we have a 06 '56' Crossfire with a strange spoiler fault.

Basically it deploys as normal at 60 mph & then it wont retract. Have tried a battery disconnect & re-start has no impact.
I have had it plugged in & we can actuate the spoiler & it operates fine up & down from a scanner. Once put in the down position it will again go up at 60 mph but then back to square one of it being stuck up until plugged in. I was going to try a replacement switch as this will not work at all.

Any ideas would be appreciated.
 
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Old Mar 1, 2018 | 09:19 AM
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Default Re: Spoiler fault..... any ideas appreciated!!!!

Replace the car's battery.

If that does not do it, we can go from there. I know this sounds like a waste of money, but fact is, most of the time, a funky spoiler is a sign of a weak battery. You can spend time and money on a lot of ideas, but the smartest one is the battery first, then go from there.

(This assumes your battery cables/terminals are not all corroded and filthy, if that is the case, clean things up first.)
 

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Old Mar 1, 2018 | 09:25 AM
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Default Re: Spoiler fault..... any ideas appreciated!!!!

It was my first thought, battery replaced & unfortunately no difference. All terminals, earths checked & cleaned.

Its mechanically working as we can actuate it via scanner.
It deploys up but wont do down & wont work off the switch?!

Nightmare......
 
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Old Mar 1, 2018 | 09:59 AM
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Default Re: Spoiler fault..... any ideas appreciated!!!!

Originally Posted by pizzaguy
Replace the car's battery.

If that does not do it, we can go from there. I know this sounds like a waste of money, but fact is, most of the time, a funky spoiler is a sign of a weak battery. You can spend time and money on a lot of ideas, but the smartest one is the battery first, then go from there.

(This assumes your battery cables/terminals are not all corroded and filthy, if that is the case, clean things up first.)
I do not think that replace the battery should be the answer, how many people have purchased an unneeded battery? Easy to say but $100 plus is a bit much for some to waste. Jumping from a good battery should be a good test and then a check of the charging system.
In this case I do not know what it could be, obviously a speed sensor signal initiates the spoiler and likewise the retraction, bad switch contact on motor to retract, probably not.
 
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Old Mar 1, 2018 | 10:04 AM
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My first thought is a bad circuit in the ECU, but then it works with a scanner which puzzles me. Maybe a glitch in the programming.

James
 
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Old Mar 1, 2018 | 10:23 AM
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My first thought is a bad circuit in the ECU, but then it works with a scanner which puzzles me. Maybe a glitch in the programming.

James
I think that the non working switch is part of the problem. It may not work because it does not get signals from the limit switches somehow. A bad switchsomewhere. Two circuits are involved I would guess the auto one and the switch one, separated by a diode or two to prevent feedback into the other circuit? I really am just stabbing at answers. The switch circuit has got to be pretty simple.
The limit switches must alter the motor direction when reached, maybe just a switch problem?
 
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Old Mar 1, 2018 | 10:25 AM
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Has anyone ever figured out why the spoiler goes down in steps ?
 
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Old Mar 1, 2018 | 11:13 AM
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Didn’t know it does.
 
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Old Mar 1, 2018 | 11:19 AM
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Didn’t know it does.
Mine does, haven't actually watched any others.
 
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Old Mar 1, 2018 | 04:12 PM
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Originally Posted by ala_xfire
Has anyone ever figured out why the spoiler goes down in steps ?
Because it is too high to jump from?
 
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Old Mar 1, 2018 | 04:15 PM
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Because it is too high to jump from?
I think you might have strained something coming up with that one
 
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Old Mar 1, 2018 | 06:30 PM
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If you look at the switch schematics, I don't see how a bad switch could cause this, unless stuck in the up position? The switch should be normal open. Disconnect the switch and see if your problem goes away.

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Old Mar 2, 2018 | 09:07 AM
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Originally Posted by James1549
If you look at the switch schematics, I don't see how a bad switch could cause this, unless stuck in the up position? The switch should be normal open. Disconnect the switch and see if your problem goes away.

James
I do not mean just one switch, I am referring to all the switches. There is probably switches of some form in the motor as well. I really have not studied the system. The motor is not just a simple motor if I recall correctly, it may be a stepper motor.
 

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Old Mar 2, 2018 | 09:38 AM
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Default Re: Spoiler fault..... any ideas appreciated!!!!

Pretty simple stuff, except for the mysteries inside the BCM, and no, it is not a stepping motor, it is a simple permanent magnet motor :

 
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Old Mar 2, 2018 | 09:45 AM
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Default Re: Spoiler fault..... any ideas appreciated!!!!

Originally Posted by ala_xfire
Mine does, haven't actually watched any others.
Mine does too when using the switch to put it down. On the highway though it goes down in one motion.
 
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Old Mar 2, 2018 | 10:00 AM
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Default Re: Spoiler fault..... any ideas appreciated!!!!

Originally Posted by sirharper
Mine does too when using the switch to put it down. On the highway though it goes down in one motion.
Now that I recall, you are right, only when using the switch.
 
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Old Mar 3, 2018 | 12:15 AM
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Default Re: Spoiler fault..... any ideas appreciated!!!!

Well, I just had to go look today. Up smoothly and two pauses on the way down operating from switch.
 
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Old Mar 3, 2018 | 01:29 AM
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Default Re: Spoiler fault..... any ideas appreciated!!!!

Pauses when the spoiler goes down is a safety feature to alert anyone with their hands in the way to move them out of the way. I don't know if the spoiler will go back up if it hits something on the way down.
 
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Old Mar 3, 2018 | 06:45 AM
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Default Re: Spoiler fault..... any ideas appreciated!!!!

Originally Posted by Red Runner
Pauses when the spoiler goes down is a safety feature to alert anyone with their hands in the way to move them out of the way. I don't know if the spoiler will go back up if it hits something on the way down.
Did you read that somewhere, or is that a personal opinion ?
( makes sense, however )
 
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Old Mar 5, 2018 | 09:52 AM
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Ok im out of ideas... any help appreciated.......................

Tried a new switch & still no difference.

Its as before, will work automatically in the up position at approx 60mph & then will be stuck up.
The switch in the centre does not work.

I can operate the spoiler up & down fine via DRBIII & alos the switch LED can be operated ok.
 
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