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Old Oct 3, 2017 | 02:01 PM
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I just never understood that MB would not have a direct ground cable to the engine block. Grounding to a single fender can't be good for long term.

With that in mind, I found a wide open area at the bell housing. I wanted to use the bolt lower that didn't have a bracket, but it was too close to the exhaust pipe. So here is where I decided:



There are several ways to connect to battery but I choose the easiest. There is an empty stud on the batter terminal.



I decided to go with a #4 wire that is 40" long. The common part number is A40-4L.



To remove the bolt from the bell housing use an E14 socket.



Slide the terminal on and retighten.



After threading the cable around the RCM box, you can then connect to the battery using the appropriate nuts and washers.





I slid some loom on it just for additional protection.

 

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Old Oct 3, 2017 | 02:07 PM
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Well, ain't you just the smartest thing I ever seen ?
Think I'll copy you on doing this, that is if you don't mind
 
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Old Oct 3, 2017 | 04:09 PM
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Originally Posted by ala_xfire
Think I'll copy you on doing this, that is if you don't mind
I don't mind, but you have to buy your own cable...
 
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Old Oct 3, 2017 | 07:02 PM
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Awwww shucks
 
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Old Oct 10, 2017 | 08:53 AM
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James it looks like you've been very busy with you're car lately.
 
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Old May 26, 2018 | 10:39 AM
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I NO LONGER SUPPORT MY POST - after careful thought, I have made up my mind James' idea is the best way. Our cars were designed with a HEAVY ground to chassis due to the fact that we have a lot of high current loads (brake controller, convertible top pump, engine fan, etc.) that get a ground return thru the chassis. For this reason, my fix below is not adequate. I won't remove it, as I think it's an example of a BAD idea and if YOU have this idea, I'd suggest you consider doing James' fix instead. I never remove what I think are my bad ideas, I think it's better to be intellectually honest and leave them up. January, 2023

So when I got the SE, I wanted to 'fix' this before it became an issue.

Just for the record, THIS TIME, I did it James' way and not MY way.
Well---- a modified "James way". I bought a generic cable at Autozone, put a BIG lug on the

small wire (where the yellow butt is) and:



 

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Old May 26, 2018 | 03:16 PM
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I have "stickied" this thread
Good info to have available at a glance


Thank You James
 
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Old May 26, 2018 | 04:25 PM
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How long is the cable?
 
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Old Aug 23, 2018 | 01:42 PM
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Just completed this procedure on my Roadster today.
 
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Old Aug 24, 2018 | 07:31 PM
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This is on my list to do.

Have to share a before and after view if a ground strap (pretty stout) that appears to be factory. Hope others will chime in to confirm.

Notice the heavy green corrosion (think its 13 years worth). Took a wire brush to clean off the loose stuff then used a small paint brush and baking soda/water to clean those wire strands.

You guys might want to check that strap if you are not doing what Janes1549 suggests here.

Regards,


 

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Old Aug 24, 2018 | 08:08 PM
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It still looks like corrosion in the crimp. I don't recall seeing this cable on mine. Is this located beneath the steering box or? Curious.

James
 
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Old Aug 24, 2018 | 09:15 PM
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Yeh, there does appear to be a little there.

Heres a pic a bit further back to give you some oercpective.
 
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Old Aug 24, 2018 | 09:19 PM
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There is likely as much under the crimp as on the cable itself. Cleaning the cable did nothing for you, the wires, under that corrosion, are handling the current fine.
But any corrosion between the wires and the crimp lug IS a problem as THAT corrosion is in the path of current flow.

As old as our cars are getting, it's time we all took a look at that jumper.
 
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Old Aug 24, 2018 | 09:20 PM
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REALLY good photos, I must say. No doubt where the damn thing is NOW.
 
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Old Aug 24, 2018 | 09:24 PM
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Yup. Either I'm going to remove it, soaking the crimped ends in baking soda/water or replacing the cable with a shorter version as James1549 used in his original post.

Thanks!

Regards,
 
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Old Aug 24, 2018 | 09:45 PM
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I looked under my 05 and it was there. Never noticed it before. Good to know. I still feel better with a cable directly to the engine from the battery. Thanks for posting the pics.
 
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Old Aug 24, 2018 | 09:51 PM
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Your welcome! Glad to help. This SRT6 has spent its life sheltered but in a hostile, rust belt environment. Definitely worth the trouble to get under her and look for any deterioration.

Regards,
 
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Old Sep 6, 2018 | 10:41 PM
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Thanks again James1549 & Pizzaguy. Today I installed that 40" long ground cable directly to the battery and to the bellhousing. I still need to add that plastic sheathing to somewhat shield that cable from heat. I also replaced that shorter, bare copper ground on the bell housing to the frame structure. I bought a 12" length, it could have been 8" or 9". Pics follow. Cheers!


This 12" cable replaced the factory raw copper cable shown previously above. This ground strap is on the driver's side, bellhousing to frame structure.

Regards,
 
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Old Sep 7, 2018 | 08:36 AM
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Thanks for the update. Looks good. James
 
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Old Sep 10, 2018 | 10:35 AM
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Originally Posted by CROSSFIRERUSH
Thanks again James1549 & Pizzaguy. Today I installed that 40" long ground cable directly to the battery and to the bellhousing. I still need to add that plastic sheathing to somewhat shield that cable from heat. I also replaced that shorter, bare copper ground on the bell housing to the frame structure. I bought a 12" length, it could have been 8" or 9". Pics follow. Cheers!


This 12" cable replaced the factory raw copper cable shown previously above. This ground strap is on the driver's side, bellhousing to frame structure.

Regards,
The cable could be just bare copper wire, there is no need to have plastic on the cable, it is not as though it would be dangerous if it touched the chassis. Adding plastic to protect plastic seems to be a waste of money, route the cable away from excess heat and the insulation should be fine. The replacement for the OEM ground wire should be long enough to make a loop in it if possible, too short and it risks getting work hardened and slowly fracture over time.

 
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