Wheels, Brakes, Tires and Suspension Open discussion for tires/rims/lowering springs/brakes etc...

Torn bushings

Thread Tools
 
Old Jun 12, 2011 | 10:22 PM
  #21 (permalink)  
nhmercracer's Avatar
Joined: May 2009
Posts: 113
Likes: 0
From: Leesburg, FL
Default Re: Torn bushings

Working on my install. Took some more pictures for you.

Drilled a hole in the center of the bushing to allow it to be lubed. I started with a small abrasive bit in my Dremel. When the hole was 1/4 inch deep (be careful, the polyurethane melts from the heat and can burn), I switched to a drill bit. I had to run the drill repeatedly on the fastest setting to clear the debris from the hole. I aligned the drilled hole with one of the molded in grease grooves in the bushing.



I used a flat Dremel grinding stone to cut a circumferential groove in the inner bore of the bushing. I did this to connect the three grease grooves to allow lube to flow completely around the bushing.



I drilled a hole in the center of the bore in the LCA in a convenient spot. I think the fitting will clear the body mount to droop the suspension to install the spring. If there is an issue, I can temporarily remove the fitting. The fitting actually protrudes through the LCA and into the bushing.

I removed the grease fitting to install the bushing.



Completed. I had to turn the bushing slightly as the hole in the bushing did not align with the hole in the LCA. I had used very soapy water to install the bushing, so I grabbed both sides of the bushing with channellocks, and turned the bushing to align the holes.

 
Reply
Old Jun 12, 2011 | 10:29 PM
  #22 (permalink)  
James1549's Avatar
Senior Member
Joined: May 2008
Posts: 10,446
Likes: 151
From: Cincinnati ( Delhi )
Default Re: Torn bushings

Originally Posted by nhmercracer
Drilled a hole in the center of the bushing to allow it to be lubed.
I am curious what you plan to use for lube? Petroleum product? Synthetic?

PS - With the grease fitting protruding into the bushing, it will act like a pin. Causing the bushing to possibly tear in that area?
 

Last edited by James1549; Jun 12, 2011 at 10:37 PM.
Reply
Old Jun 12, 2011 | 10:56 PM
  #23 (permalink)  
nhmercracer's Avatar
Joined: May 2009
Posts: 113
Likes: 0
From: Leesburg, FL
Default Re: Torn bushings

I have a synthetic lube I plan to use. The bushing should move with the LCA, and pivot on the metal inner shaft. I think the fitting protrusion is so shallow, that if the bushing did spin in the bore, it would just tear a groove in the bushing.
 
Reply
Old Jun 12, 2011 | 11:01 PM
  #24 (permalink)  
James1549's Avatar
Senior Member
Joined: May 2008
Posts: 10,446
Likes: 151
From: Cincinnati ( Delhi )
Default Re: Torn bushings

Originally Posted by nhmercracer
I have a synthetic lube I plan to use. The bushing should move with the LCA, and pivot on the metal inner shaft. I think the fitting protrusion is so shallow, that if the bushing did spin in the bore, it would just tear a groove in the bushing.
If the inner metal shaft pivots on the rubber, it is defective, IMO. Most bushing like these I am familar with, should not pivot on the inner shaft because they are molded to it. Once they start to pivot, is when the bushings tear. Maybe someone else knows better than me.

James

PS think about where you want the lube to work.
 

Last edited by James1549; Jun 12, 2011 at 11:04 PM.
Reply
Old Jun 13, 2011 | 03:33 PM
  #25 (permalink)  
nhmercracer's Avatar
Joined: May 2009
Posts: 113
Likes: 0
From: Leesburg, FL
Default Re: Torn bushings

These bushings are designed to pivot on the inner shaft. I'll take a better picture later this week.
 
Reply
Old Jun 13, 2011 | 07:54 PM
  #26 (permalink)  
velociabstract's Avatar
Thread Starter
|
Senior Member
Joined: Jul 2008
Posts: 4,525
Likes: 29
From: Puerto Rico
Default Re: Torn bushings

This is an interesting discussion. I believe the pivot is the inner shaft but the stock bushing is obviously designed to cede rotationally to a degree. If this is erroneous, when pushed too hard they do rotate and break because mine did. I mentioned poly bushings to my "race specialist" and he wrinkled his face. He told me to stay stock or go with spherical bearings. He believes Poly is better, costs more and tears at the same rate as stock rubber. So if your tearing the stock stuff replacing it with expensive poly is not the best solution. He did mention how unbearable the spherical bearings are for day to day. I guess thats why we all ride on rubber. Not to mention why I replaced the torn bushings with new rubber ones. I still don't know what I'll do the next time they are shot.

Les
 
Reply
Old Jun 13, 2011 | 08:01 PM
  #27 (permalink)  
James1549's Avatar
Senior Member
Joined: May 2008
Posts: 10,446
Likes: 151
From: Cincinnati ( Delhi )
Default Re: Torn bushings

I had to turn the bushing slightly as the hole in the bushing did not align with the hole in the LCA
If you were able to turn the bushing in LCA that easy, you don't think it will pivot once installed?

James
 
Reply
Old Jun 14, 2011 | 07:57 AM
  #28 (permalink)  
nhmercracer's Avatar
Joined: May 2009
Posts: 113
Likes: 0
From: Leesburg, FL
Default Re: Torn bushings

I have read all the good comments, and took another look at my setup last night. I am waiting on tools, cleaning and painting various bits, so I have plenty of time.

I had to use two channellock pliers, one on each side of the bushing while it was still wet. I cannot turn it now.

The stock bushing has two "arms" which connect the inner and outer tube together. There are two voids in this bushing.



This allows the bushing to give to an extent. Makes the ride better, but the bushing eventually tears. The new bushing is a soft polyurethane, but is solid. W201's have a similar setup.

This is an experiment to see if the lube setup works. I intend to disassemble again at a later date to check on the setup.

The Issue I can see is the center pivot is smaller on the face which contacts the mount. The stock bushing has a large contact face, where the replacement is just a tube. We'll see how it works.

 

Last edited by nhmercracer; Jun 14, 2011 at 12:45 PM.
Reply
Old Jun 14, 2011 | 11:06 AM
  #29 (permalink)  
James1549's Avatar
Senior Member
Joined: May 2008
Posts: 10,446
Likes: 151
From: Cincinnati ( Delhi )
Default Re: Torn bushings

Keep us posted. Thanks.
 
Reply
Related Topics
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post
maxcichon
Wheels, Brakes, Tires and Suspension
3
Apr 21, 2021 08:29 AM
2005 Ragtop
Wheels, Brakes, Tires and Suspension
7
Oct 3, 2015 03:01 PM
blackpepper
Engine, Exhaust, Transmission and Differential
5
Aug 31, 2015 12:18 PM
waldig
General
1
Aug 5, 2015 02:29 PM
ala_xfire
Wheels, Brakes, Tires and Suspension
1
Jul 20, 2015 10:46 AM

Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 



All times are GMT -4. The time now is 02:59 PM.