Question about lug bolts..
thanks Steve! Nope, didn't clock the plugs, any advise how to position for complete burn?
they dont cost any more than the ecu tune you have or the 74mm t/b mod you did. its all about priorities
I received this from NGK:
[IHello,
We do not suggest using anti-seize as we have a plating on the plugs that will act as a release agent upon removal. For torque we will need to see between 17-21 ft./lb. as this is a 14mm thread in an aluminum cylinder head.
Best Regards,
Jason Norwood
NGK Spark Plugs ( USA) Inc.
Technical and Training Specialist - Aftermarket Division
46929 Magellan Drive
Wixom, MI 48393
Office: (248)-926-7107
Fax: (248)-926-6938
Email: jnorwood@ngksparkplugs.com
ASE Certified
Ngksparkplugs.com
][/I]
[IHello,
We do not suggest using anti-seize as we have a plating on the plugs that will act as a release agent upon removal. For torque we will need to see between 17-21 ft./lb. as this is a 14mm thread in an aluminum cylinder head.
Best Regards,
Jason Norwood
NGK Spark Plugs ( USA) Inc.
Technical and Training Specialist - Aftermarket Division
46929 Magellan Drive
Wixom, MI 48393
Office: (248)-926-7107
Fax: (248)-926-6938
Email: jnorwood@ngksparkplugs.com
ASE Certified
Ngksparkplugs.com
][/I]
I received this from NGK:
[IHello,
We do not suggest using anti-seize as we have a plating on the plugs that will act as a release agent upon removal. For torque we will need to see between 17-21 ft./lb. as this is a 14mm thread in an aluminum cylinder head.
Best Regards,
Jason Norwood
NGK Spark Plugs ( USA) Inc.
Technical and Training Specialist - Aftermarket Division
46929 Magellan Drive
Wixom, MI 48393
Office: (248)-926-7107
Fax: (248)-926-6938
Email: jnorwood@ngksparkplugs.com
ASE Certified
Ngksparkplugs.com
][/I]
[IHello,
We do not suggest using anti-seize as we have a plating on the plugs that will act as a release agent upon removal. For torque we will need to see between 17-21 ft./lb. as this is a 14mm thread in an aluminum cylinder head.
Best Regards,
Jason Norwood
NGK Spark Plugs ( USA) Inc.
Technical and Training Specialist - Aftermarket Division
46929 Magellan Drive
Wixom, MI 48393
Office: (248)-926-7107
Fax: (248)-926-6938
Email: jnorwood@ngksparkplugs.com
ASE Certified
Ngksparkplugs.com
][/I]
Additionally my torque wrench ( 10-100 ft/lb range) is accurate + or - 4% at 20% of full load (18ft/lbs). In all likely hood I am overtorqued but not by much, too much? possibly. Maybe best case senario is I'm at the top end of the range. Also, using socket extensions adds to the torque load and there is a calculation for that too. Interestingly, NGK says plugs that have crush gaskets can be re-installed after removal by tightening them 1/12th turn after gasket contact. Who knows what that torque value is? So, if I remove the plugs, clean off the anti-seize with brake cleaner and re-install per NGK recommendation, I still won't know what torque the plugs are at? Will the anti-seize left on the head threads cause an overtorque condition? Yes, I have found a source on line that sells replacement spark plug gaskets (crush washers) but removal of the flattened ones will likely bugger-up the spark plug threads. Many on this forum have advocated using anti-seize on spark plug threads, but made no mention of what torque value they applied. I'd be interested to hear of their experiences. So, very likely I'm making a mountain out of a mole hill and yes, I am obessing.......but what else would you expect from a Crossfire ( make it 2) owner.
http://www.ngksparkplugs.com/pdf/tb-...1antisieze.pdf
Now, to let my feeling be known:
I've been building and repairing machinery for over 30 (!) years. I'm a HUGE fan of lubricants for every minute of it. I specialize in UHV systems and ion sources for particle accelerators. Many of these parts get really hot. Some I can't even use antiseize on-they can reach the brazing or break-down point of the constituent materials.
So I find another lube. I keep a jar of grapite and one of Boron Nitride powder in my shop for high temp uses. Spark plugs just don't get hot enough for it. At least the threads.
I apply it using a flux brush in vanishingly small amounts and wipe off 99% of it before insertion.
And I reduce torque by 20%.
I use it on my lug bolts and nuts too. Same whisper amount and wipe off any I can see.
One is only trying to treat the surface. Not use it as caulk.
Or glue.
Here's a chart on temperatures vs. metal temps:
How to tell what temperature a glowing object (metals) might be:
Doesn’t really matter what the emitter is…stainless steel, cast iron, tungsten in your light bulb, the temps are about the same for a given color. Generally accepted colors/temps are:
C F Color
400 752 Red heat, visible in the dark
474 885 Red heat, visible in the twilight
525 975 Red heat, visible in the daylight
581 1077 Red heat, visible in the sunlight
700 1292 Dark red
800 1472 Dull cherry-red
900 1652 Cherry-red
1000 1832 Bright cherry-red
1100 2012 Orange-red
C= Centigrade
F= Farenheit
Now, to let my feeling be known:
I've been building and repairing machinery for over 30 (!) years. I'm a HUGE fan of lubricants for every minute of it. I specialize in UHV systems and ion sources for particle accelerators. Many of these parts get really hot. Some I can't even use antiseize on-they can reach the brazing or break-down point of the constituent materials.
So I find another lube. I keep a jar of grapite and one of Boron Nitride powder in my shop for high temp uses. Spark plugs just don't get hot enough for it. At least the threads.
I apply it using a flux brush in vanishingly small amounts and wipe off 99% of it before insertion.
And I reduce torque by 20%.
I use it on my lug bolts and nuts too. Same whisper amount and wipe off any I can see.
One is only trying to treat the surface. Not use it as caulk.
Or glue.
Here's a chart on temperatures vs. metal temps:
How to tell what temperature a glowing object (metals) might be:
Doesn’t really matter what the emitter is…stainless steel, cast iron, tungsten in your light bulb, the temps are about the same for a given color. Generally accepted colors/temps are:
C F Color
400 752 Red heat, visible in the dark
474 885 Red heat, visible in the twilight
525 975 Red heat, visible in the daylight
581 1077 Red heat, visible in the sunlight
700 1292 Dark red
800 1472 Dull cherry-red
900 1652 Cherry-red
1000 1832 Bright cherry-red
1100 2012 Orange-red
C= Centigrade
F= Farenheit
I refer you to my earlier post stating my preference and application procedures.
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