Helping out you guys on here trying to sell your cars: Below is an example of what Crossfires are selling for TRUE money right now, at the peak of the summer I am suprised at some of these figures. This info is copied directly off Manheim, and what anybody can buy one for, some of these auctions are PUBLIC not just dealer auctions.

04's

05/24/11 RIVRSIDE Regular $13,300 54,406 Avg GREY
A Yes 05/25/11 SEATTLE Lease $13,800 73,384 Avg BLUE 8G 6 Yes 05/25/11 SAN ANTO Lease $11,100 68,418 Below BLACK 8G A Yes 05/26/11 PHOENIX Regular $14,700 47,002 Avg BLUE 8G 6 Yes 06/09/11 TAMPA Regular $14,600 48,597 Avg BLACK 8G 6 Yes 06/21/11 OHIO Regular $13,900 52,732 Avg BLUE 8G A Yes
05 Coupes

06/08/11 DALLAS Lease $7,300 93,611 Below BLACK 6G 6 Yes 06/15/11 NASHVILL Regular $10,500 75,973 Avg BLUE 6G M No 06/15/11 KC Regular $11,800 40,141 Above BLUE 6G A Yes 06/17/11 PA Regular $9,250 59,437 Avg BLACK 6G 6 Yes 06/23/11 PA Regular $10,000 63,879 Avg WHITE 6G 6 Yes 06/28/11 ORLANDO Regular $11,000 35,994 Avg RED 6G A Yes 06/28/11 ARENA IL Regular $9,000 74,962 Avg BLACK 6G A Yes
05 Limiteds
10/07/10 PENSCOLA Regular $7,900 70,142 Avg BLUE 6G A Yes 04/21/11 CHICAGO Lease $9,500 59,448 Avg BLUE 6G A Yes 05/05/11 TAMPA Regular $7,500 63,836 Below RED 6G A Yes 05/24/11 BALTWASH Lease $9,000 71,195 Avg BLUE 6G 6 Yes 05/26/11 OMAHA Regular $10,800 65,613 Above GRAY 6G A No 06/14/11 PHILLY Regular $10,200 55,558 Above BLUE 6G M Yes
05 Roadsters
06/16/11 CHICAGO Lease $15,100 27,887 Above BLUE 6G A Yes 06/21/11 OHIO Lease $15,900 14,444 Above BLACK 6G A Yes 06/21/11 OHIO Regular $13,900 61,293 Avg RED 6G A Yes 06/22/11 KC Regular $11,500 61,039 Avg GRAY 6G 6 Yes 06/27/11 NC Regular $9,800 83,854 Below BLUE 6G A Yes 06/28/11 STATESVL Regular $12,300 64,957 Avg RED 6G A Yes
05 Limited Roadsters
04/12/11 RIVRSIDE Lease $8,300 72,024 Below YELLOW 6G A Yes 04/14/11 TAMPA Regular $14,800 35,869 Avg BLUE 6G A Yes 04/15/11 PA Regular $17,000 3,199 Above BLUE 6G A Yes 04/15/11 PA Regular $14,800 42,094 Avg YELLOW 6G A No 04/27/11 DENVER Regular $12,600 49,432 Avg RED 6G P Yes 05/19/11 TAMPA Lease $11,800 44,592 Avg BLUE 6G A Yes
05 SRT-6
04/27/11 PITTSBGH Regular $13,500 32,891 Avg GRAY 6G A Yes 04/27/11 KC Regular $14,500 40,662 Avg LT BLUE 6G A Yes 05/17/11 RIVRSIDE Regular $13,250 48,138 Avg BLUE 6G A Yes 05/26/11 SO CAL Regular $11,700 74,385 Below GRAY 6G A Yes 05/27/11 NEVADA Regular $13,900 54,725 Avg BLACK 6G A Yes 06/01/11 CALIFORN Regular $12,900 45,740 Avg GRAY 6G A Yes 06/21/11 STATESVL Regular $14,700 24,835 Above BLUE 6G A Yes
05 SRT-6 Roadsters
2/02/10 DARLNTON Regular $13,200 61,808 Avg BLACK 6G A Yes 12/15/10 DALLAS Regular $14,000 47,425 Above BLACK 6G A Yes 01/25/11 HOUSTON Regular $13,200 50,544 Avg BLUE 6G A Yes 03/30/11 CEN FLA Regular $10,800 95,745 Below BLU/BLK 6G A Yes 03/31/11 PENSCOLA Regular $10,900 97,937 Below SILVER 6G A Yes 04/12/11 NYMETSKY Regular $18,400 35,052 Above Black 6G A No
06 Coupe's
06/02/11 SO CAL Regular $12,100 21,716 Avg BLACK 6G M Yes 06/03/11 PA Regular $10,900 74,812 Avg LT BLUE 6G 6 Yes 06/09/11 DFW Regular $13,900 42,410 Above WHI 6G A Yes 06/09/11 DARLNTON Regular $11,000 76,864 Avg BURGANDY 6G 6 Yes 06/10/11 PA Regular $11,100 51,998 Avg BLACK 6G
Yes 06/15/11 SAN ANTO Regular $10,800 67,770 Avg BLACK 6G A Yes 06/23/11 EL PASO Regular $11,900 22,914 Avg BLACK 6G M Yes06 Limited Coupe
12/17/10 NASHVILL Regular $11,700 50,847 Avg WHITE 6G
Yes 03/02/11 NASHVILL Regular $12,400 40,659 Avg BLACK 6G A Yes 03/18/11 PA Regular $11,000 65,554 Below GOLD 6G 6 Yes 05/10/11 PHILLY Lease $12,800 34,282 Avg DKGRAY 6G P Yes 05/11/11 MILWAUKE Regular $12,900 38,569 Above RED 6G 6 Yes 06/03/11 PA Regular $12,000 43,974 Avg WHITE 6G A Yes
06 Roadster's
05/10/11 ORLANDO Lease $15,900 27,329 Above WHITE 6G A Yes 05/27/11 NEVADA Lease $8,000 87,903 Below YELLOW 6G A Yes 06/01/11 DALLAS Regular $12,000 67,696 Avg BLUE 6G A Yes 06/08/11 NJ Regular $11,100 66,160 Avg GREY 6G A Yes 06/08/11 DENVER Lease $12,800 38,323 Avg BLACK 6G P Yes 06/22/11 SAN ANTO Regular $12,000 47,982 Avg RED 6G M Yes
06 Limited Roadster's
09/28/10 ORLANDO Lease $16,000 23,332 Avg WHITE 6G A No 10/20/10 SAN ANTO Lease $10,500 36,511 Avg GREY 6G A No 12/21/10 PHILLY Lease $10,900 31,398 Avg BLUE 6G 6 No 01/12/11 SAN ANTO Lease $13,800 10,138 Avg SILVER 6G A No 01/18/11 DETROIT Regular $11,900 50,964 Avg LT BLUE 6G A No 02/22/11 RIVRSIDE Lease $12,000 46,451 Avg RED 6G A No 04/22/11 PA Regular $16,000 36,829 Avg WHITE 6G A No
07 Coupe's
2/01/10 NASHVILL Regular $13,400 14,376 Above BLACK 6G 6 Yes 12/07/10 MINNEAP Lease $12,100 6,599 Avg BLACK 6G 6 Yes 03/09/11 PITTSBGH Regular $13,200 46,061 Avg BLACK 6G A No 03/30/11 KC Regular $12,700 11,326 Avg BLACK 6G 6 Yes 05/31/11 STATESVL Regular $9,900 68,578 Below BLACK 6G 6 Yes 06/28/11 DENVER Lease $11,600 41,975 Avg BLACK 6G 6 Yes
07 Limited Coupe's
03/02/11 PITTSBGH Regular $13,500 36,706 Avg RED 6G 6 Yes 03/07/11 ORLANDO Regular $14,800 20,115 Above GOLD 6G A Yes 03/08/11 METRODAL Lease $13,000 31,833 Avg MAROON 6G A Yes 03/17/11 FRDKBURG Regular $13,800 15,959 Avg RED 6G 6 Yes 05/05/11 TX HOBBY Regular $14,500 14,753 Above BLUE 6G 6 Yes 06/28/11 GEORGIA Regular $13,300 41,518 Avg SILVER 6G 6 Yes
07 Roadsters
04/20/11 NASHVILL Lease $15,500 39,608 Avg RED 6G A Yes 04/21/11 NORTHSTR Lease $12,900 29,832 Below BLACK 6G 6 Yes 04/28/11 DETROIT Regular $16,100 35,012 Above RED 6G A No 06/07/11 STATESVL Regular $14,700 21,968 Avg RED 6G 6 Yes 06/15/11 MINNEAP Regular $15,300 29,988 Avg BLACK 6G 6 Yes 06/22/11 KC Regular $14,700 33,242 Avg RED 6G 6 Yes

03/02/11 PITTSBGH Regular $13,500 36,706 Avg RED 6G 6 Yes 03/07/11 ORLANDO Regular $14,800 20,115 Above GOLD 6G A Yes 03/08/11 METRODAL Lease $13,000 31,833 Avg MAROON 6G A Yes 03/17/11 FRDKBURG Regular $13,800 15,959 Avg RED 6G 6 Yes 05/05/11 TX HOBBY Regular $14,500 14,753 Above BLUE 6G 6 Yes 06/28/11 GEORGIA Regular $13,300 41,518 Avg SILVER 6G 6 Yes
08 Limited Coupe
02/23/11 NJ Regular $15,000 40,554 Avg BLACK 6G A Yes 02/24/11 ATLANTA Lease $14,800 40,892 Avg BLUE 6G A Yes 03/04/11 PA Regular $15,100 30,268 Avg BLACK 6G A Yes 05/04/11 NJ Regular $14,700 21,281 Avg BLK 6G A Yes 06/07/11 OHIO Regular $16,400 17,408 Above SIL 6G A Yes 06/16/11 CHICAGO Regular $15,100 24,736 Avg BLUE 6G A Yes
08 Limited Roadster
03/01/11 ORLANDO Lease $17,400 31,483 Avg GRAY 6G A Yes 03/10/11 ALBANY Regular $19,099 3,650 Avg Beige 6CY M Yes 05/11/11 TAMPA Regular $20,900 13,865 Above SILVER 6G A Yes 05/17/11 DETROIT Regular $19,700 24,048 Avg BLACK 6G A Yes 05/31/11 PHILLY Lease $13,400 27,262 Below DKGRAY 6G A No 06/15/11 CEN FLA Lease $16,900 35,096 Below SILVER 6G A Yes
As you can see prices are all over the place, as is normal with auctions. This might help you justify some of your pricing of the car. I am still an enthuiast having owned 2 Crossfires and am looking for a nice SRT-6 as soon my divorce is final Thought you guys might find this interesting
The breakdown is:
Date-Place-Lease/regular- price sold for-mileage-CONDITION-color-engine size-manual M or Auto A

 

Damn, the srt6s are being given away according to that data.....

 

I used to know password and account number to get into the auctions.
A good resource for finding any car you might want.

Thanks for the data!

 

This isnt DATA just so you know This is what REAL MONEY Crossfires are bringing at auctions, this is the system that EVERY dealer uses when appraising a car. This is what you can buy one for at an auction

Very helpful resource when someone tries to justify there car being priced 4k out of the box

 

Not to argue but;
I believe this is what dealers can buy them for at auction. Private buyers generaly cannot.
Generaly speaking, retail is 1.5 times auction. So an SRT auction sell price of $12k equates to a retail asking of $18K.

Hence and SRT sale at $12K. keep in mind also that most auctions are stocked with vehicles that are often distressed in some way. High miles, bad Carfax, repossesions. If a dealer took it in trade but cannot stand behind it......etc


I believe Kimpossible could shed further light on this. But do not expect to go to an auction without credentials and get an SRT roadster, especialy a prime condition virginal one..... for $12K.

Cars have an actual loan value far below retail asking. This list reflects that. Helpful knowledge for those trying to negotiate. Now you know what the dealer likely has invested in the car he is persuading you to purchase. About two third of his asking.

Thanks for posting Akers.

 

Franc,

Actually I am at a dealership and NO those are NOT all dealer auctions Some are public like one we have here once a month and ANYONE can bid, now of course those prices do not reflect a 3% fee(some higher some lower) and sales tax of whatever state that the car is sold in.

Also to shed some light retail is NOT 1.5% of auction value in markup...to be perfectly honest we took an 04 Coupe with 40K miles on it here and I went 10K in it(to make a deal work on a new unit), according to date I was a little high...we sold it for 11,843. Out of that you pay your detail, title clerk,commision to the sales person, etc... People really think dealers make a KILLINGS of people. The reality is in this day and time with some non-credit worthy buyers the lender cap you what you can finance, so that is is NOT true.

I do hope this helps a little when you go shop a dealer, also if you look over this really WELL there is a HUGE chance the crossfire at your dealership your shopping COULD be one of these cars I have listed here for you if the mileage and color is the same.

 

From my experience, those prices are used to determine dealer trade-in value, and it's great information to have. The dealer will pay you less than what they think they can sell for at auction. And Crossfires tend to sit on dealer lots for a long time and usually end up at auction (just like they did when they were new).

I also think those prices are closer to reality than NADA and KBB for people selling private party. I posted this in another thread, but I've been shopping for a SRT6 coupe nationally for the past 6 months. For completely stock, SRT6 coupes, the best deals I didn't take (because I decided they were too far away) were a 2005 gray SRT6 coupe with 38,000, certified one-owner, for $15,250 at a dealer in Ohio and $15,500 for a 2005 aero blue SRT6 coupe with 38,000, two-owner, for $15,500 private party in Indiana. Both were in fantastic shape.

People asking NADA and KBB private party prices will be trying to sell for a long time, at least based on my experience. The demand just doesn't exist. Unless you happen across the right buyer and the right time, then all bets are off. But that's not something you can usually count on.

 

I understand how used car sales work. Was in the bussiness for a while.

Every dealer, like every industry, has their differences to compete. My numbers were the general formulas before we made personal marketing judgements on the product we put on the lot. The saleman generaly had a 33% margian in which to haggle. It contained his commission so in reality, the customer was haggling over the size ofsaleman's take of the deal.

I worked for a little outfit called Enterprise Leasing. You may have heard of them?

We didn't buy auction cars . But we did send a good many to that market. And then competed with those same products in the marketplace. Numbers. It is always about the numbers.

That was some years ago but by your description, and that of my very good friend who has a "gravel lot" here, it doesn't sound like things have changed all that much. People will pay what they assume to be a good price but, at the end of the deal, financing is always the issue.

My good friend and neighbor, still in the business, after 50 years of selling new dealership and gravel lot cars still uses the same basic numbers. I often go to auctions with him.

It's an addictive business.
Amazingly, I haven't yet seen a Crossie except for salvage ones. My dilemma, what if I do? What if I win the bid? Can I get Crumpy to let me bring another one home?

 

Along these lines,,,,PM sent

 

I only paid $14650 for my srt so I think I did ok lol. Especially since they wanted just short of 19

 

I guess that depends on when you bought and how many miles. It sounds like you did well though. Very well.

I have two identical SRT coupes. Paid a little more than that for one, a little less for the other. Both at about 37K on the clock.

Did I get a bargain? Depends on whether I got my money's worth.

best I can tell so far..... stole 'em both.

roadster with a stick

 

have to agree. I bought mine with 38k on it. I giggle like a schoolgirl everytime I drive it

 

What exactly is a 2007 or 2008 crossfire, since they were all built from 04 to 06?

 

I just finished the auction on ebay on my srt6. The last bid was $16100, which did not reach the reserve. I then received a bid of 18500 by email from someone in Massachusetts. Now, no one can guarantee that either of these would actually result in money changing hands, but I think this is the true value of these cars, not what a dealer pays for one at an auction.

 

Nope, you can think that all you want. Auction is REAL money in the car business, always has been always will be...Ebay ANYONE with a CPU can bid, and sometimes this can frustrating wasting your time.

Now with that being said another thing is and ALWAYS will be true. There is always a buyer at a price for EVERY car, some will pay more to get what they want. That also will never change, but dont be mistaken about the facts

 

SCAM written all over that!

I sold a car for $17,200 on ebay and received an email saying he was wanting to buy the car for $25,000 after the auction ended. Whatever...

 

I'm still sticking to the auction prices being closer to reality than KBB/NADA for SRT6 coupes.

I just bought one this weekend for $15k, 100% stock, 38,000 miles, great shape, private party in Omaha. I was the only person that even went to look at the car in the month it was listed for sale.

I worked pretty hard to find one, and looked at probably a dozen for sale over the past 6 months. Based on what I saw, $14,750-$15,500 is the range where people are actually buying and selling.

 

Way to go SHAKEY> But uh ...........what color. it is important.


roadster with a stick

BTW, Private sellers do not have a markup, prep and Overhead. Which is why NADA private seller listings are lower. Private sellers have usualy put far more into a car than for which they can sell it. therefore they are simply getting as much as they can. Resource recovery accounting. Essentially, anything goes.

Dealers must profit from the transaction. Real numbers.

As for your deal, sounds like you stole it. Nice!

 

I'm not going to argue price because it no longer concerns me, but here's my .02 as a buyer who just paid real cash for a car:

I saw deals at dealers, actual cash changing hands that I passed on, at $15,250 (for a 1-owner, 38,000 mile car, no less). I saw another at $16,000. That tells me that those auction prices are very accurate, as in, those are the trade-in prices dealers are willing to pay. They then add their mark-up, and get to the range of $15-16. I didn't see one sell, at a dealer or private party, anywhere close to NADA/KBB. But I also didn't talk to people asking those prices because I saw those deals as more trouble than they were worth.




I ended up with aero blue, not my first choice, but gray was becoming more trouble to find than it was worth. From my experience, older gentlemen preferred aero blue, so those cars were less likely to be modified and abused. Younger guys tend to like black and gray, and I only found one that was not modified. I preferred an unmodified car, and I found one.

 

Wholesale is exactly that. MMR is a great tool to use, but at the end of the day it is exactly that. Not every car that is sold in America gets run thru a Manheim auction. I think the interesting thing about those numbers is how FEW cars are running. A few years ago the XF numbers running thru the auctions was WAY higher. When I was looking for my car I pulled MMR to see what cars were going for at the auction & the volume of units was significantly higher.

I thought that was a very interesting.