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I will dyno it sometime over the winter when I do the blower setup. It is not worth dynoing it now and to be honest, I have never cared about dyno #'s, just actually track times and such, but I will need to dyno it for the tuning once it is done since the setup will be so "radical". I will post #'s as they come up though.
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Originally Posted by kwiktsi
When did *I* ever say anything about it being something for "everyone" to do as you put it? I was inquiring for my "personal" car- I could give a crap less what you do with yours- heck, you could paint it pink and throw a rotary in it for all I care. I was asking about something for *my* particular car and, yes- *I* do have the resources to do whatever I want, heck my cousin has a 790 whp 3000GT also- that isn't something "everyone" can do without their own resources either, but did I say "what is feasible for every yokel with an adjustable wrench to do to their car? No. As for videos, get real- you think any of these guys care about impressing some 22 year old on some message forum? You must be one of the ricers videotaping every street race they are involved in because they are mad cool like that. 
Actually- just got off the phone with one guy (never said crossfire either, just "mercedes 320 cars") and he said "tell him to bring the camera, his mouth and $1000 and run for the video" lol. Not everyone cares about the message board drama, they care about their car and what they do with it and could care less about the rest of you.
I also said, it is something that perhaps could be available for others later on once it is set up, so that takes care of the "resources" part you mentioned not everyone has.
You know, maybe think before you respond and realize who you are talking to and what is realistic vs. what the average Joe tuner who is in it solely for the money tells you. I am not some "magazine tuner" nor have I ever let any of them work on my cars, yet I have had some impressive setups- strange for a "hack", huh? Hmm, 487 WHP DAILY DRIVER Talon on PUMP with alcohol injection, 11.1@126 on PUMP gas 94 LT1 stroker Z that ran 10.3@134 on race fuel and 150 shot- PLENTY more left too- fully loaded, AC, cruise, etc., friends and family members making over 700 with some over 1000 and one over 1500 to the WHEELS (not on pump, obviously) in everything from single turbo 4's to twin turbo v8's. Not to mention, a 12.7 second crossfire that I haven't even had for two months yet- what have you accomplished with your xfire in the last two months? Probably some spiffy light up door sills or something, huh? (no offense to those who have them
) - so who are you to attack my performance accomplishments with various cars?
As for the comment about shattering a rod- hmm, ok- if and when it does, I will know the limits and I PROMISE you the next setup will be stronger and more powerful. I have always pushed things to the limits and if/when it blows, so friggin what- that is when you build a real setup for the car. Once again, I am not talking about a reliable every day car for everyone on this forum to duplicate and have hundreds of thousands of care free miles- I am talking about my own car and my goals for it.
Apparently Malc and Al have a clue, maybe you should listen to what they have to say. Doing it yourself is what hot rodding is all about, paying someone for over priced, under powered items to be installed for you and to do the R&D for you is the easy way out for people with more money than knowledge. While that is ok in most cases, don't attack me because my abilities surpass that.
Joe
Actually- just got off the phone with one guy (never said crossfire either, just "mercedes 320 cars") and he said "tell him to bring the camera, his mouth and $1000 and run for the video" lol. Not everyone cares about the message board drama, they care about their car and what they do with it and could care less about the rest of you.I also said, it is something that perhaps could be available for others later on once it is set up, so that takes care of the "resources" part you mentioned not everyone has.
You know, maybe think before you respond and realize who you are talking to and what is realistic vs. what the average Joe tuner who is in it solely for the money tells you. I am not some "magazine tuner" nor have I ever let any of them work on my cars, yet I have had some impressive setups- strange for a "hack", huh? Hmm, 487 WHP DAILY DRIVER Talon on PUMP with alcohol injection, 11.1@126 on PUMP gas 94 LT1 stroker Z that ran 10.3@134 on race fuel and 150 shot- PLENTY more left too- fully loaded, AC, cruise, etc., friends and family members making over 700 with some over 1000 and one over 1500 to the WHEELS (not on pump, obviously) in everything from single turbo 4's to twin turbo v8's. Not to mention, a 12.7 second crossfire that I haven't even had for two months yet- what have you accomplished with your xfire in the last two months? Probably some spiffy light up door sills or something, huh? (no offense to those who have them
) - so who are you to attack my performance accomplishments with various cars?As for the comment about shattering a rod- hmm, ok- if and when it does, I will know the limits and I PROMISE you the next setup will be stronger and more powerful. I have always pushed things to the limits and if/when it blows, so friggin what- that is when you build a real setup for the car. Once again, I am not talking about a reliable every day car for everyone on this forum to duplicate and have hundreds of thousands of care free miles- I am talking about my own car and my goals for it.
Apparently Malc and Al have a clue, maybe you should listen to what they have to say. Doing it yourself is what hot rodding is all about, paying someone for over priced, under powered items to be installed for you and to do the R&D for you is the easy way out for people with more money than knowledge. While that is ok in most cases, don't attack me because my abilities surpass that.
Joe
If everyone had your resources, time and money we could all have setups like you. And you are not impressing me with your DSM, plenty of kids my age have them pulling times like that. Without your resources, and they did it themselves. There are plenty of do-it-yourselfers, with 10 second Z-28's, again with out "your" resources. So to brag about your accomplishments when your family owns a tuner shop is lame. The real power goes to the kids and middle aged men working in their 2 car garages building their street machine.
So you say your time is up with the no2? So did you blow the engine or getting worried? Or just ran out of juice? LOL. I gotz me 2 bottles of nAwz, the big ones. :rolls eyes:
Go to a high school autoshop, where you might actually impress someone.
BTW where are you located?
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Originally Posted by x'ed
you ran a 12.7 with the nos. damn. i wanna get nos, just don't have the *****. keep us informed on the supercharger thing. you'll get used to bullseye claiming to know everything about cars. and always "knowing" someone who has the exact setup you are talking about on any given car, or if not he raced it.
Xe'd anytime, you want to come over here, I will show you these cars, and make you look like a complete idiot, which isn't that hard to begin with.
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Back on topic. I have seen engines out of wrecked SLK and C class AMG cars go for as low as $2K. To me, it is just as good to take the parts off these engines and sell the rest on eBay. I've seen it done by a few different tuners (just not on any xfires). The reason I'm not doing this is my xfire is my only investment. I'm in my 3rd year at BSU and only have 4 more until I graduate with a Pharm. D. If I gamble on something like this I could blow my finances for the rest of my education. I have no back up plan, I have to graduate. I'm waiting till after I earn my degree to do anything crazy under the hood. In four years you might see a ten second crossfire sitting in my garage. On the other hand, you might see a broke college dropout with way too much debt begging for a job in chemical research. Nobody can predict the future.
It sounds like you have the time and the finances to achieve this. Go for it and don't let somebody on a forum stop you from sharing your experiences. I know the MB 3.2 can make the power, somebody just has to turn the wrench and get the job done.
It sounds like you have the time and the finances to achieve this. Go for it and don't let somebody on a forum stop you from sharing your experiences. I know the MB 3.2 can make the power, somebody just has to turn the wrench and get the job done.
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Bullseye- you are 100% correct, I bow to your superior knowledge. Lol, you really are a moron- my time is "posted", is that clear enough for you. I meant it as I normally don't post my times and I avoid it when asked only because of pissing matches like this. The car is still running strong. Here you go saying "everyone" again! I am talking about *my* goals. I don't have a ton of $$$, if I did, I may be one of the mindless drones going to some "super" (use that term VERY loosely) tuner out there for some over priced BS.
Lol, I do all my work out of my own garage, not any of the shops that any of my friends or family own. I just go to them if I need to use their "resources" for a project. I did all my work ON MY OWN in an airplane hangar I rented since I lived in a condo at the time. The shop came later- then I moved away with my wife while she finished school and am just now getting back into it. I do not use the shops, equipment, etc. on all my cars- but they are there when I need them. I love your dumbest comment about everyone doing this with their talons- this was OVER SIX YEARS AGO- who the heck was "everyone" back then?? If you wanted it- you did it yourself. The talon scene has turned into a bunch of copy cat clone ebay ricers, it is not what it was when I was doing this stuff. I built the motor for my Z28 myself in the same hangar- all that was done by someone else was the machine work. I did the head porting, the assembly, tuning with LT1 edit, etc all in on my own. I built my 69' camaro off the back of a barn at a place we were renting- might as well been outside! Quarters, floor pans, trunk pan, door skins, fenders, paint, motor and trans- all by myself without ever once going to any of the shops I associate with (family or otherwise)... Once again - think before you speak, you have no clue who you are talking to or what you are talking about. Make your "nawz" comments all you want, just further shows once again- you have no clue who you are dealing with.
Joe
Lol, I do all my work out of my own garage, not any of the shops that any of my friends or family own. I just go to them if I need to use their "resources" for a project. I did all my work ON MY OWN in an airplane hangar I rented since I lived in a condo at the time. The shop came later- then I moved away with my wife while she finished school and am just now getting back into it. I do not use the shops, equipment, etc. on all my cars- but they are there when I need them. I love your dumbest comment about everyone doing this with their talons- this was OVER SIX YEARS AGO- who the heck was "everyone" back then?? If you wanted it- you did it yourself. The talon scene has turned into a bunch of copy cat clone ebay ricers, it is not what it was when I was doing this stuff. I built the motor for my Z28 myself in the same hangar- all that was done by someone else was the machine work. I did the head porting, the assembly, tuning with LT1 edit, etc all in on my own. I built my 69' camaro off the back of a barn at a place we were renting- might as well been outside! Quarters, floor pans, trunk pan, door skins, fenders, paint, motor and trans- all by myself without ever once going to any of the shops I associate with (family or otherwise)... Once again - think before you speak, you have no clue who you are talking to or what you are talking about. Make your "nawz" comments all you want, just further shows once again- you have no clue who you are dealing with.
Joe
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Originally Posted by italianmafia03
Back on topic. I have seen engines out of wrecked SLK and C class AMG cars go for as low as $2K. To me, it is just as good to take the parts off these engines and sell the rest on eBay. I've seen it done by a few different tuners (just not on any xfires). The reason I'm not doing this is my xfire is my only investment. I'm in my 3rd year at BSU and only have 4 more until I graduate with a Pharm. D. If I gamble on something like this I could blow my finances for the rest of my education. I have no back up plan, I have to graduate. I'm waiting till after I earn my degree to do anything crazy under the hood. In four years you might see a ten second crossfire sitting in my garage. On the other hand, you might see a broke college dropout with way too much debt begging for a job in chemical research. Nobody can predict the future.
It sounds like you have the time and the finances to achieve this. Go for it and don't let somebody on a forum stop you from sharing your experiences. I know the MB 3.2 can make the power, somebody just has to turn the wrench and get the job done.
It sounds like you have the time and the finances to achieve this. Go for it and don't let somebody on a forum stop you from sharing your experiences. I know the MB 3.2 can make the power, somebody just has to turn the wrench and get the job done.
. That is the info I was looking for (pricing ideas for used parts, etc). It also shows you are another one who DOES know what they are talking about and has seen it done.Anyway, don't risk your education, my wife just finished Albany College of Pharmacy herself, she had some "bumps" along the way, but it was well worth it. 23 years old, right out of school- $18,400 sign on and $106k a year at a local chain pharmacy (don't want to mention names and have it be "discussing salary" and get her in trouble or something lol). And she isn't even a Pharm. D! Hers was the last year before it became mandatory. Just keep plugging along and get through it. Good luck with it!
Also, if you can point me in the direction of where to find some used items (any MB specific recyclers out there?), I would appreciate it. Thanks.
Joe
PS- Oh yeah, for those who asked, I live in Milford, PA now.
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Originally Posted by Bullseye
And to think I use to think you were one of the few "cool" guys on here.
Xe'd anytime, you want to come over here, I will show you these cars, and make you look like a complete idiot, which isn't that hard to begin with.
Xe'd anytime, you want to come over here, I will show you these cars, and make you look like a complete idiot, which isn't that hard to begin with.
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Originally Posted by kwiktsi
Bullseye- you are 100% correct, I bow to your superior knowledge. Lol, you really are a moron- my time is "posted", is that clear enough for you. I meant it as I normally don't post my times and I avoid it when asked only because of pissing matches like this. The car is still running strong. Here you go saying "everyone" again! I am talking about *my* goals. I don't have a ton of $$$, if I did, I may be one of the mindless drones going to some "super" (use that term VERY loosely) tuner out there for some over priced BS.
Lol, I do all my work out of my own garage, not any of the shops that any of my friends or family own. I just go to them if I need to use their "resources" for a project. I did all my work ON MY OWN in an airplane hangar I rented since I lived in a condo at the time. The shop came later- then I moved away with my wife while she finished school and am just now getting back into it. I do not use the shops, equipment, etc. on all my cars- but they are there when I need them. I love your dumbest comment about everyone doing this with their talons- this was OVER SIX YEARS AGO- who the heck was "everyone" back then?? If you wanted it- you did it yourself. The talon scene has turned into a bunch of copy cat clone ebay ricers, it is not what it was when I was doing this stuff. I built the motor for my Z28 myself in the same hangar- all that was done by someone else was the machine work. I did the head porting, the assembly, tuning with LT1 edit, etc all in on my own. I built my 69' camaro off the back of a barn at a place we were renting- might as well been outside! Quarters, floor pans, trunk pan, door skins, fenders, paint, motor and trans- all by myself without ever once going to any of the shops I associate with (family or otherwise)... Once again - think before you speak, you have no clue who you are talking to or what you are talking about. Make your "nawz" comments all you want, just further shows once again- you have no clue who you are dealing with.
Joe
Lol, I do all my work out of my own garage, not any of the shops that any of my friends or family own. I just go to them if I need to use their "resources" for a project. I did all my work ON MY OWN in an airplane hangar I rented since I lived in a condo at the time. The shop came later- then I moved away with my wife while she finished school and am just now getting back into it. I do not use the shops, equipment, etc. on all my cars- but they are there when I need them. I love your dumbest comment about everyone doing this with their talons- this was OVER SIX YEARS AGO- who the heck was "everyone" back then?? If you wanted it- you did it yourself. The talon scene has turned into a bunch of copy cat clone ebay ricers, it is not what it was when I was doing this stuff. I built the motor for my Z28 myself in the same hangar- all that was done by someone else was the machine work. I did the head porting, the assembly, tuning with LT1 edit, etc all in on my own. I built my 69' camaro off the back of a barn at a place we were renting- might as well been outside! Quarters, floor pans, trunk pan, door skins, fenders, paint, motor and trans- all by myself without ever once going to any of the shops I associate with (family or otherwise)... Once again - think before you speak, you have no clue who you are talking to or what you are talking about. Make your "nawz" comments all you want, just further shows once again- you have no clue who you are dealing with.
Joe
Nor did I ever claim my knowledge was greater than yours. Do you have a inferiority complex? Have to convince yourself you are better?
And am I suppose to stop dead in my tracks because you played mechanic with a few cars? Get serious. I could care less who you are.
You said, you all are brainwashed, therefore saying all of us. Your words not mine.
My original post was not an attack, you could have gone about this differently. But instead you chose to be immature. I guess that is why you married someone so young. Though I bet she is more mature than you. I suppose you couldn't get anyone your age to deal with such immaturity. Can't blame them. Someone makes a statement. And you, yes you start a pissing contest. And you admitted using those resources, so you did do your work using those resources like I said. I'm sorry, don't be mad at me because your accomplishments do not impress me.
Have fun with your 12 second crossfire aka, the hand grenade with the pin pulled.
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Originally Posted by x'ed
it wasn't an insult, just an observation. i don't stoop to insulting people on the internet, too childish. and i'm still cool, just bored with crossfire people, because no one does anything with the car. it sux being poor and in college.
I stopped hoping for mods for the crossfire a long time ago. I use to be one of the biggest advocates for the crossfire. I am sure you can remember me defending it alot. But no aftermarket and no way to get out of it, makes me a dull boy. that's why i bought the srt-4. Was cheap enough where I could do both payments. And i get my speed thrills through my srt now.
And the one guy that may be doing something, instead of wanting to share knowledge wanted to start a pissing contest.
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Edit- not worth discussing any further. You brought my wife into this which is going too far and I am going to drop it now before it gets worse. I don't have to answer to you why my wife is younger, what I know or do not know, what I have done or have not done. Forget about turning your own wrench- when you move out of mommy's house- then you can pass judgment on me.
Everyone else, thanks for the replies. I'll keep you guys posted on the progress.
x'ed- the 14.3@92 was the WRX's stock time, not the Crossfire. I actually never ran the crossfire off the spray at the track- you know how we love our nawz lol. Maybe I'll take it back this coming week and see how it runs without the spray just to get a number for everyone. Aside from no rear cats and a different muffler (stock piping), the car is 100% stock though. I was holding off on doing more until I decide if I am going to turbo it or supercharge it since they would both require different exhausts and such. I will let you know if I make it back to the track this week.
Joe
Everyone else, thanks for the replies. I'll keep you guys posted on the progress.
x'ed- the 14.3@92 was the WRX's stock time, not the Crossfire. I actually never ran the crossfire off the spray at the track- you know how we love our nawz lol. Maybe I'll take it back this coming week and see how it runs without the spray just to get a number for everyone. Aside from no rear cats and a different muffler (stock piping), the car is 100% stock though. I was holding off on doing more until I decide if I am going to turbo it or supercharge it since they would both require different exhausts and such. I will let you know if I make it back to the track this week.
Joe
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Originally Posted by x'ed
14.3@92?? what were you launching at, must have really nailed the 60'. i think you are actually the first person to take the manual to the track.
14.3@92 was refering to WRX? ie Subaru WRX? Seen postings for a worked up WRX of 13.27@103.04mph, those 4x4's are quick to the 60 and not too fussy about the surface.
One of my favorite comments about my XF Coupe - "nice, looks like the Bentley GT Coupe". Just wish is went as quick. Flying 4x4 that hides it all. Before anyone needs to say it I know it two VW engines etc. Still nice.
Sub models: GT Bodystyles: 2-Dr CoupeDrivetrains: All Wheel Drive Transmissions: 6 Speed Automatic Engines: 2004 Bentley Continental Performance & Efficiency Standard Features.
- Two turbo compressor
- 5,998 cc 6 liters W 12 engine with 84 mm bore, 90.2 mm stroke, 9 compression ratio, double overhead cam, variable valve timing/camshaft and four valves per cylinder
- Premium unleaded fuel
- Fuel economy EPA highway (mpg): 18 and EPA city (mpg): 11
- Multi-point injection fuel system
- 23.8 gallon main premium unleaded fuel tank
- Power: 411 kW , 560 HP SAE @ 6,100 rpm; 479 ft lb , 650 Nm @ 1,600 rpm
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Yes, 05' Subaru WRX. It is in the driving. There was a guy there driving an 03' with more work than what my car has now running mid 14's and my car now runs 13.1-13.2.
Those Bentley GT's are very nice cars, a guy that flew RC planes with us up in Albany has one - looks awesome, sounds even better!!
Joe
There was a guy there driving an 03' with more work than what my car has now running mid 14's and my car now runs 13.1-13.2.Those Bentley GT's are very nice cars, a guy that flew RC planes with us up in Albany has one - looks awesome, sounds even better!!
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So kwik, TSI I gotta say I had an SS automatic with a 150 shot, a power programmer (for shift points, couldn't tune and spray would go boom) and a 12 bolt with 3.73's the car was raw. I think it would be a great swap. But my point is, I love NOS and wanna go ahead and spray the crossfire. But I am concerned with the traction control and whether or not you changed to a colder plug. I went with NGK TR6's in my SS, it killed performance when I was not spraying but it was worth it get in touch. I am in tight with the dealership and as long as I did not grenade the car it will keep its warranty.
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I haven't had problems with the traction control, however- as for the plugs- I do want to go colder, just been lazy. I never spray on pump gas though, always run 110 unleaded at the track when I am spraying. I rarely spray any car on pump gas- not worth the risks. Once I get a datalogger, I will do more playing with spray and pump gas to see what it is doing and then maybe see if someone can do a custom tune according to the results. I just don't want to go too nuts with tuning/time/expense with the nitrous as I am going to boost it one way or another and it will all change then. I just put the spray on to make it more fun without pulling it off the road for major work during the summer- wanted to enjoy it first. I have all winter to let it sit apart.
Honestly though, if warranty is a concern- nitrous, forced induction, etc. shouldn't even be a consideration. The risk is too high- if you aren't prepared to take the hit yourself, don't do it. Trust me, financially I cannot "afford" to blow the car up right now either, but I know the risk I am taking and am prepared to face the consequences should the worst happen. If it were to happen right now, the car would be done until next summer so I have the time to get the funds together to fix it and then build it also. We have two crossfires and the WRX as "daily" cars, so if it breaks I will not be left walking, it would just suck since I do not have the $$$ to have it back on the road before winter!
Speaking of LS1 cars- I drove an 05 GTO today(I know, LS2- but similar) and think that will be my next car. I am trying to find something to get rid of the WRX for next year and I am torn between a Charger RT Hemi and the GTO. The GTO is more my style though. I would, of course, do bolt on's and spray on that one too lol.
Joe
Honestly though, if warranty is a concern- nitrous, forced induction, etc. shouldn't even be a consideration. The risk is too high- if you aren't prepared to take the hit yourself, don't do it. Trust me, financially I cannot "afford" to blow the car up right now either, but I know the risk I am taking and am prepared to face the consequences should the worst happen. If it were to happen right now, the car would be done until next summer so I have the time to get the funds together to fix it and then build it also. We have two crossfires and the WRX as "daily" cars, so if it breaks I will not be left walking, it would just suck since I do not have the $$$ to have it back on the road before winter!
Speaking of LS1 cars- I drove an 05 GTO today(I know, LS2- but similar) and think that will be my next car. I am trying to find something to get rid of the WRX for next year and I am torn between a Charger RT Hemi and the GTO. The GTO is more my style though. I would, of course, do bolt on's and spray on that one too lol.
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I'm not sure if I should really get into this discussion, but I am interested in the supercharger route. I am currently building a centrifugal supercharger package for my 69' Coronet and may possibly do the same with my Crossfire. Anyhow from the research I've done, I think that kwiktsi is correct about the install. I don't think that it could cost any more than 4k to do it especially if you have access to a workshop to build brackets, pulleys etc.
I hope I can find the extra cash to do it some time - most likely next year though.
Have fun guys!
I hope I can find the extra cash to do it some time - most likely next year though.
Have fun guys!
