Illegal Machine... uhm... yeah. You win... I'm tearing up my timeslip now.

Cheers!

 

I just don't want mrphotoman's wack exaggerations to cloud the point here.

I'm just saying a car is only as fast as the person driving it. If someone can't drive an SRT-6 with a pulley, intake and tune into the 12's, I just can't bring myself to say it's the car's fault.

And no WAY am I going to generalize and say ALL SRT-6's are slow because of it.

If you have a modded SRT-6, and it's not running 12's there is something wrong. If you show me a slip showing a 13 second pass, I don't care. That's a 12 second car with a serious mechanical issue, or a terrible driver in the driver seat.

That just seems like common sense to me.

If we're talking about hypothetical races on the internet, you just look at the two cars, assess the mods and (based on other cars with similar mods) take an educated guess at who will win. You don't assume the RWD driver can launch, and you don't assume the FWD driver is going to spin through 2nd gear. Just take the cars in a vacuum.

 

Not only drivers factor into the car's best potential but DA. Once my DA hit's it's peak this summer usually around 5500' my 11.89 will likely become a 12.89. Not because of all the mods, driver, or mechanical issues but because of the air density. I don't argue if you don't know how to launch this car then you will be with alot of E55 drivers and have over 600hp and never see 11's.

 

I prefer... and WILL remain a real racer (not ¼ mile stuff, I like the twisties) I try not to dabble in armchair drag racing thank you very much. It usually ends with both sides in an argument over trivial crap that is easily solved by a ... yes, I'm going to say it... REAL RACE.

Whether a car has potential, the driver is crap or the sun was green that day makes no difference. If I run a race and my best lap time is slower than another person on the same course, then he's won the race where the fastest lap time wins. If I think I can be faster or the car can be faster... I try, or I look for a way to help the car grip better... but I don't tell others about how "I could have beaten that time". I'm going to look for ways to achieve that better time. If I think I can beat that time, I should prove it... then I don't have to do any arguing. I have empirical evidence that shows I was able to make the lap in better time.

The world is full of shoulda-coulda-wouldas... If he shoulda won, then why didn't he... if he coulda won, then he damn well better do it... if he woulda won, but he was being nice, then he's stupid.

I think my point and MrPhotoman's is this... The race is won by the racer that complies with the guidelines of the race and qualifies to win. In the case of a ¼ mile drag race, the person/vehicle that completes the ¼ mile to the letter of the rules in the least amount of time PERIOD.

I don't care if the guy did a 25 second quarter mile at mach 5. If the other guy did it in 24 seconds at 40 mph, then the guy going 40 mph wins by the letter of the rules. The other guy going mach 5 obviously fell asleep at the tree and will just have to live with his humiliation or go back and race again to PROVE he was faster and simply screwed up last time.

In short... I could give a rats A$$ if one car is faster than the other... it's nice to theorize and fun analyse, but it PROVES nothing.

Have a nice day...

 

And Mrphotoman would call all of those "ricer excuses".

My best time in my Crossfire is a 12.7 @ 111 with a 2.2 60 ft.

When people ask me how fast the car is, I say, "12.7 @ 111 with a 2.2 60 ft."

People reply, "Wow. It's got a lot left in her. That's a low 12 with a decent launch."


I agree. The only thing keeping this car out of the mid to low 12's is MY dumb lead foot for the first 60ft. It's right there on the time slip "60' - - - 2.2". If that was 'how fast the car is', why would I keep going back each week to get that 60' down?

 

And that's what I keep saying. The guy that was going 40 WON THE RACE! No bones about it.

Like you said, the guy fell asleep at the tree and lost, but no way in hell does he have a slower car.

When you run a 1/4 mile, the clock doesn't start until your car moves forward. If you have a junk reaction time, you CAN be beat by a slower car and both have the time slips to prove it. The winner of the race is whoever has their sign light up first.

You CAN win a race against a car that runs a 13.8 by running a 14.0. It happens all the time. I don't even know how anyone who has ever been to a 1/4 mile can argue this.

 

This is pretty much I guess what I was trying to get at the whole time. I think we all were dancing around it. It is also where I think there is a SERIOUS difference between a car/racing enthusiast and a guy who likes cars and racing...does that make sense?

I don't go to the track to beat other cars...(while it can be fun being the underdog at times)...it's much more fun to beat my own times or better my runs or just flippin' drive the car for that matter!!!

 

This past weekend there was no bracket racing just heads up time trials. The few times someone lined up against me I lost 1 and won 2. All 3 were way faster than me. I was cutting .007, .008, and another .0 something light. One was against a 11.5 srt8 jeep, E55 and the loss was to a 997 porsche. I holeshotted everyone of them and the jeep and E55 came close to catching me but didn't. Now they were almost a half second faster but I gained that advantage off the starting line. The porsche I had thru 3rd gear when he just pulled hard past me and was like at 133mph thru the lights. It's called a holeshot win, in bracket racing or heads up when the slower car beats the faster car to the beams first.

 

You'll get that launch down soon enough. Even with street tires you'll crack into the 1.7's 60' with great DA. Elevation over 4000' will be difficult though. With the midrange our cars have, those 60's don't mean as much as I thought. My 11.890 was with a 1.80 60'. Much surprising to me.

 

I've noticed no matter how good the DA is, you can't get a great '60 if the track isn't prepped right. Spin city occurs most of the time then. My 1.7's were only because the track was the best prepped after the Nationals in November that particular weekend. Haven't been able to duplicate it since.

 

Wow that was a lot of assumptions on your part mr race king lmao. I bet mama had to rock him to sleep last night after that hissy fit.

 

Whack? Fo' shizzle my dizzle it be off the hizzle yo!

Now do not go all gangsta up in hea!

So what times do you run at the track? Mid to high 12's lol? What are your 60' times 2.0's and higher? lol and what mods do you have on your car mr race king? lol. Or does mama not let her little man go to the track to race and you just posted up some random numbers you found off someone elses timeslip?

Illegal you are just all butt hurt because you are wrong, you now know you are wrong and now you are grasping at straws trying to make yourself appear that you are not wrong.
Give it up tough guy and move on. I think everyone else has lmao.

 

I like to do both, drag and road course racing. I think they both require skills and both are real racing. Everyone has their opinions on racing though and that is just fine. I think autox (racing in a parking lot) and nascar is not real racing although it does take skill, i just do not care for it. (except for nascar lol, drive to the left! )

I do plan to pm you a few questions on the srt6 however, i have not raced it on a road course yet (had my old car on the track several times however I do not have the experience on road courses that you have). I was a little suprised with the srt6 though, it seems a little lighter in the back end than i expected. my suspension is still stock though and my old car had a lot of suspension mods that i was used to so i really can not compare the 2. I plan to hit up beaverun and mid-ohio in the spring.

I just hope that someone will be there on those track days with Illegal Machine's mad racing skills and off da hook observational skills to determine the real winners of the races that day. Who knows, a guy that didn't even race his car that day may be the REAL winner according to Illegal "king of all racing" Machine.

 

Uhh, I Satellite and I have posted multiple quotes were you flat out stated things as "Fact!", when (in fact) they were totally wrong.

Did you read cruzinquick's post?

^^ That last sentence just BLEW mrphotoman's mind.

The case of a better driver beating a FASTER CAR. If Cruzin' would have edged out that Porsche, they may have ran almost identical times, but I don't think (correct me if I'm wrong, Cruzin) that he would have claimed that his SRT-6 was a FASTER CAR than the Porsche.

But he can drive the **** out of his car, and punished that guy. <-- why racing is awesome

In before Mrphotoman ignores my post and throws up some more photobucket pictures that are older than the interent.

 

[quote=Illegal Machine]The case of a better driver beating a FASTER CAR. If Cruzin' would have edged out that Porsche, they may have ran almost identical times, but I don't think (correct me if I'm wrong, Cruzin) that he would have claimed that his SRT-6 was a FASTER CAR than the Porsche.
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We still wouldn't have ran equal times due to different power ranges in the quarter mile. If it was a bracket race then we should've crossed the finish line together. This was a heads up race and it's more interesting than it seems. The porsche actually red lighted and left early. Being as fast as he was maybe he didn't want to get tree'd. So I took off when I see him go to give him as close as race as possible. He went -.074 to my -.006 and he ran 11.030@133.45 and I went 11.918@117.17. I'm including the video for your amusement. You can see even though he leaves first, I pull him and get ahead but then by mid track he just pulls away. Still close but for him leaving first, our 6 stills show's proudly. My 60' was 1.772 to his 1.959. Keep in mind this is a Porsche 997 TWIN TURBO, modded. Even if I would have beaten him on a holeshot there is no way I would dream the 6 is faster. Enjoy the vid, it's quick.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HMnS5huhFPg

 

Hey guys, just checking to make sure the bickering back and forth hasnt stopped. Its good to see the every post gets further and further away from the O.P. topic.

Keep up the good work!

 

What were we even talking about again?

 

I brought some numbers to the discussion it's all good now.

 

All right boys - let me make this fast and simple and to the point -

Who has the fastest SRT6?

Anyone can have a great run, on a well prepped, sea level track, with a strong tail wind - or a "hot tune" or a ...........

The fastest SRT6 cannot be judged by one time slip (IMO) - it MUST be judged by consistency - and that takes dedication.

With this as my criteria - (consitency & dedication) it's easy to say the Cruzinquick has the fastest SRT6. Make no doubt about it.

He's dedicated to his sport, he has the most races in his sport (or any other timed event), he is the most honest of his mods and his times, and well... he's just flat out fast.......time and time again....

So let's settle the score right here - if you want to claim the fastest SRT6 - provide a least 10-15 time slips showing your runs!

If not - well you had a great day at the races - and that's still sweet.....

 

Thanks BrianBrave. I'll have to come up with some cool for my sig. Or as they had me listed for the Famoso event---Cruzinquick- Crossfire- Bolt ons.

I like the "Fastest SRT6 in the US with the least amount unbolted" LOL.