Went up against a stock gto yesterday. I had a passenger who wanted to go for a ride and stumbled upon a gto whose plate read "judge me" soooo i had to. I was directly behind him at the light and moved over to the left lane to get next to him and he wouldnt let me. Flat out from about 15mph we were dead even. At about 90 i really started to gain some ground moving past him, but the nextight came up quick and we had to abort. I pulled back in behind him and we both pulled off yhe street into a parking lot to avoid any detection. He mentioned it was stock ia stated the same. He seemed a little ten back and surprised at what just happened especially with my extra passenger. After a quick hat we went our seperate ways and there were two smiles in my car as we returned back. Since my rides were over for the night i could down some cold ones without any hesitation and the race became the evenings conversation.

So all in all, one trans am(non ws6) and the gto was a wash would have been win with more time and road. Yeah, these are fun.

 

Maybe I'm biased, but I feel like you should have pulled on him if he really was stock. Simple bolt-on parts can really open up those v8's.

 

Lets just say my passenger filled my passenger seat. I did pull on him but more than a little extra weight. I wasnt proud of her and im glad she wasnt mine.

 

Am I the only one here that does not know what you drive and where you drive?

 

5.7 or 6.0?

 

Nah, the SRT6 won't out accelerate a GTO (05 or 06) with the LS2 engine. I owned an 05 GTO for three years and I've owned an SRT6 for about 8 months. The GTO is ~600 lbs heavier than a Crossfire but has considerably higher HP (400) and torque (400) peaks as well as a lower rear end gear (3.46). The stock GTO was a 4.8 sec 0-60 car and so is the stock SRT6. Also, both engines have similar broad flat torque curves and both pretty much run out of steam around 5,800 RPM. The GM 4L65E automatic in the GTO is a good match for the GTO if not as sophisticated as the box in the SRT6. The Tremec T56 6 speed manual on the other hand was a piece of crap. I know, that's what was in my car.

The GTO and Crossfire share other traits as well. Both got no love from consumers. And both were very short production runs at small quantities. They were both hand me downs from the 90's too. The SRT6 came from the late 90's Mercedes R170 platform and was massaged by Chrysler. While the GTO came from another mid 90's German chassis this time from Opel, and was built by Holden in Australia with tweaks specified by Pontiac. The SRT6 borrowed an engine from AMG. The GTO borrowed an engine from the Corvette. If these cars aren't genetically related, they are at least spiritual second cousins.

 

Its an 05 srt6. Its completely stock.

The gto, couldnt tell you if it was a 5.7 or a 6.0. I didnt look for the badge. A rookie mistake i guess. It was fun though.

 

The stock 5.7 GTO has the exhaust coming out the back of left side and the 6.2 a dual on both sides.

 

And the 04's had a smooth hood. The 05/06 came with dual genuine fake hood scoops and a delete option for the smooth hood but I've never seen an 05/06 without the hood scoops.

 

Road & Track test results:

7/04 issue______________________1/04 issue
GTO-350 HP____________________SRT6 Roadster-330 HP
0-60-5.4 sec.___________________0-60-4.8 sec.
1/4 mile-13.9-103.6 mph__________1/4 mile-13.3-107.5 mph
Top speed-155 mph______________Top speed-158 mph

 

Something is wrong I just raced a nodded gto 6.0 with mods and beat him by about 2 lcars or more also he was on a drag radial my car on has a intake rear cat delete and stage 1 tune.My buddy emailed me a video to my phone so I have proof. PS I let the gto start the race.

 

Dragtimes has multiple under 13.5 that are stock. The two cars are pretty much equal in straight line performance.

 

Motor Trend test results:

5/04 issue
GTO-350 HP
0-60-5.4 sec.
1/4 mile-13.85-101.41 mph

2/05 issue
GTO-400 HP
0-60-5.0 sec.
1/4 mile-13.3-107.5 mph


Linstr63, many SRT6 owners here on the forum have posted sub 13 sec, "stock" 1/4 mile time as well.
Personally, I've never owned a "New" car that I haven't been able to better the 1/4 mile times printed in the magazine roadtests (after the car was broke in).
Usually the Magazine Roadtests are done with cars that are relatively low mileage examples that haven't been properly broke in. It's not unheard of to see a car perform differently with 7000 miles on it after the engine loosens up a bit.

 

I'm not trying to start an argument, but I've read quite a bit online and the two compare very well. I only recall reading of about 2 SRT6s that have done 12sec stock, and I'm pretty sure i've read about GTO's doing the same. there is one on dragtimes that did a 13sec flat. The SRT6 is an amazing car and I love mine. But I don't think its right telling someone who has owned both that he is wrong about his claims based on magazine times.

 

Ummm.....that would be the 04 GTO.....LS1 5.7L engine ...350 HP...365 lb/ft. Not the 400/400 LS2 6.2L in the 05/06.

So, I'll stand by my original assertion that the SRT6 is about dead even at any speed up to 140 MPH with an 05/06 LS2 powered GTO. Differences would come from manufacturing variances or maintenance on individual cars or one driver getting a jump on another. But they should be very close. It's possible but not likely that the OP ran into an 04 GTO but those things are almost as rare as an SRT6. Not many were made in that single year of LS1 production and a lot of those have been lost to accidents from unskilled drivers.

Car & Driver Test Results...We can do this all day.
http://media.caranddriver.com/files/...powertrain.pdf

I'll tell you one place the 3,800 lb GTO does beat the SRT6. Fuel efficiency! I could get 26 MPG in pure highway driving with the GTO. I've never been able to get more than 23 out of my SRT6. Odd that a 3,800 lb car with a 6.2L engine would be more fuel efficient than a 3,200 lb car with a 3.2L engine. The "old" Chevy pushrod V8's are amazing in many ways.

 

Spud, if you notice, I did post Motor Trends Road Test stats for the GTO, which were identical to those of a SRT6 Roadster tested in Road & Track.
Your original post said an SRT6 won't out accelerate a 400 HP GTO.
I was unable to locate any magazine tests of an SRT6 coupe, but I think it's safe to say most Coupe owners feel their cars are faster than their roadster brothern simply by weight alone.
I'm not arguing with your statement, but I simply couldn't find any magazine stats that would substanciate your claim of 4.8 sec. 0-60 times for a 400 HP Goat. (My Car & Driver Magazine collection is currently boxed up.) and I can't pull up the site that you posted. But I'm going to assume that's where you came up with the 4.8 sec. #'s you listed.
I agree with you it's a drivers race, and I automatically figured the OP came up against a 350 HP version of the Goat. Around here, I see a lot more of them, than I do of the later models.
I've owned 7 Vettes, and a 94 Z-28, so you don't have to school me on the attributes of the Chevy Small block.

 

Not trying to school you or anyone else. And, I'm not nearly the Vette fan you are. I've owned two (C4 & C5) and will probably never own another one. I don't like the driving position or the interior quality. Tried it once. Gave it a second chance. Not feeling the love. They are fine cars but I feel claustrophobic in the Vette due to the poor forward visibility.

Oh, and my sympathies on the F-body purchase. To be kind, those things were.....well.....ummm.....primitive.

I'm just truly amazed with what GM has been able to do the the "old" pushrod engine technology. I think it's funny that twenty years ago GM was looked down on for not having gone the DOHC route like all of their competitors. Now, I'd put their LS engine series up against any production engine. The things are compact, lightweight, rev as well as they need to, have a broad flat torque curve, make gobs of power, carry their weight low, are reliable, easy to maintain, and......are more fuel efficient than they have a right to be. If you don't stick one in a 4,000 lb Camaro (or 3,800 lb GTO) that is.

I haven't driven Ford's new 5.0 Coyote engine yet and I suspect that would be more to my liking with it's DOHC, 4 valve heads, variable timing, high compression, and high revving personality. I love NA engines that make peak power at high revs. Don't hate me blower fans.

 

It's a link to a PDF that shows test results for a Mustang/GTO face off published Jan 05. When you open it, the chart is pretty small. Don't know why they posted all the charts in separate PDFs. Do you have Adobe reader on your computer? If not, you can download a free version from Adobe's website that allows you to look at PDF files.


1/05 C&D issue__________________2/05 R&T issue (Hot Sixes)
GTO-400 HP____________________SRT6 Coupe-330 HP
0-60-4.8 sec.____________________0-60-4.8 sec.
1/4 mile-13.3-107.0 mph__________1/4 mile-13.3-no speed quoted
Top speed-158 mph______________Top speed-158 mph
Skidpad-.88g___________________Skidpad-.90g
Slalom-62.9mph_________________Slalom-66.9mph

That's about all the comparable info from the two articles. C&D measured 70-0 braking for the GTO while R&T measured 60-0 and 80-0 for the Crossfire. But based on my personal experience, the SRT6 brakes are FAR better in every way than the brakes in the GTO probably due in part to the fact that they are managing 600 lbs less weight. The slalom times don't surprise me as the GTO was a 4 seat porker and was tuned for a softer ride.

And I know, two different days, two different tracks, two different drivers, but the cars are about as evenly matched in acceleration as you can get for two production cars.

 

I only have a cold air, and can assure you with video, photo,and forum member presents, that an SRT-6 can run high 12s stock, on stock tire size(would be crushing fools if I had radials). Look down at the signature. And you can ask Mimi05SRT(Neal) about some GTOs!

 

What? You have bias ply tires?

Where did you get those things? Smithsonian?

And for every guy like you on the Crossfire forum there is a guy just like you on the GTO forums...except they actually posted evidence. And he was totally stock. http://www.dragtimes.com/Pontiac-GTO-Timeslip-6814.html

Are we really gonna flog this poor horse to the bone?