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Old Nov 25, 2004 | 01:29 PM
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Thanks. I am off to my family for turkey day.

They told me that the car was scheduled for an exhaust they just need one for the prototyping. Once that is done they said it would be available in about 2 months.
 
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Old Nov 25, 2004 | 02:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Cyril Baldwin
You'll notice an increase in HP with decrease low end torque when using auto transmission but use the autostick if you want your Crossfire to kick better. You'll love it and the sound of it you wouldn't want a bigger sub on your back...lol!
Thanks Cyril I drove the car last night on the freeway for the first time with the new Magnaflow. I love the sound... I wouldn't put my neck out and say there is a noticable HP increase, but the deep tone fools you into thinking you're driving a ferrari. I visited SASKINS at his house and when I drove up he imediately wanted one...

I'm glad the guys at the shop recommended the additional "cherry bomb" straight through baffle, otherwise it may have been a touch too loud for my taste.

I also noticed it really vibrates the back of the seat... kinda like a foot massager in the wrong place

All in all, I'm pleased the the turn of events with the Borla system forced me in this direction.

PS: Automatic transmission is a bad word in my vocabulary...
 
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Old Nov 25, 2004 | 03:22 PM
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I also noticed it really vibrates the back of the seat... kinda like a foot massager in the wrong place

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Suggestion: Go out and buy a 3-4" slice of dense foam, large enough that it will nicely fit in the back floor area. Get a "special friend" to sew a complete cover for it using cloth, vinyl or leather material that would closely match your interior. The foam will buffer the sound and cut the vibration. I know, I've been there.
 
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Old Nov 26, 2004 | 08:35 PM
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Sound Clips!!!!!! Please!!!!!
 
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Old Nov 26, 2004 | 09:44 PM
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I don't have any sound bite from inside the car. Never thought of that.
I have a sound bite from outside in the garage. See my gallery. Because it's in the garage, it might be a little misleading, but close.
 
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Old Nov 26, 2004 | 10:33 PM
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Wow...that sounds NICE. How much was the parts and labor for your dual exhaust?
 
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Old Nov 27, 2004 | 08:06 AM
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The cost for work, including tips and converters bought separately and installed on my 2nd & 3rd visit to exhaust shop was around the $400. U.S. mark.
The major cost was the exhaust pipe work (about $200.U.S.) and that cost will depend on the exhaust shop that you get to do the work. In my case, there was no special deal, in fact this was the first time I had ever dealt with them. They charged me the norm for material and labour.
 
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Old Nov 27, 2004 | 09:36 AM
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Look & Sounds Great. An old buddy of mine who, owns a speed shop in NJ told me the bends on the Borla system are a problem. He says exhaust really doesn't add any horses to the engine but does allow the engine to work less thus getting more horse power, where you want it, to the wheels. So according to him the Borla system isn't much of an improvement. Your's really beats the Factory in price and most likley performance too. Love it.
 
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Old Nov 27, 2004 | 12:25 PM
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Yes, your buddy is right. The less restriction you have at the exhaust end, the more efficient your engine can breathe. Same with air intake at the front end.
There is also some merit in having a tuned exhaust for certain types of racing. This is another story althogether and to get the best tuned exhaust for certain applications, you really need to dyno the engine. I used to race GoKarts (2 stroke engines) and we ran with "canned" pipe coming out back of engine. Manuafacturers would sell different design, length pipes for short sprint races or longer track enduro type races. The process is no different than changing rear axle gear ratios depending on the type of track your running.

You can imagine running a marathon race or even a sprint race and you have to wear a mask.
When you breathe in and out, your body has to work harder because of the restriction.

I was surprised when I seen the Borla system. It looks something of a Boilermans worse nightmare.
However, I think they were trying to maintain factory low-end torque specs by keeping some backpressure and of course they likely didn't want to create a system with too loud a sound. The "dual" designed system would have been a lot more expensive for them to meet their objective.
I think they are being somewhat cautious because they have to mass produce these to a mass market. However, nothing can beat a custom system designed to meet objectives of one individual.
 
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Old Nov 28, 2004 | 01:13 PM
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Originally Posted by jimbo257
Look & Sounds Great. An old buddy of mine who, owns a speed shop in NJ told me the bends on the Borla system are a problem. He says exhaust really doesn't add any horses to the engine but does allow the engine to work less thus getting more horse power, where you want it, to the wheels. So according to him the Borla system isn't much of an improvement. Your's really beats the Factory in price and most likley performance too. Love it.
I heard the same thing from my exhaust guys when they looked at the picture of the Borla system before they built my Magnaflow... They came to the conclusion that Borla had done the pipe bends and added the extra rsonator to limit the sound, but it defeated the purpose of a "straight thru" exhaust system...

I'm extremely happy with mine now... just need to custom make the tips next week... Will try to post a sound file later today...
 
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Old Nov 28, 2004 | 03:45 PM
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Originally Posted by mbepic
I don't have any sound bite from inside the car. Never thought of that.
I have a sound bite from outside in the garage. See my gallery. Because it's in the garage, it might be a little misleading, but close.
I could only hear a couple seconds but ,did your lowend torque change to the worse or would you say not much change.And do you fell any HP gain ?
 
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Old Nov 28, 2004 | 03:51 PM
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mbepic ... I love the sound!

hddp ... I look forward to hearing yours for a comparison.
 
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Old Nov 28, 2004 | 04:35 PM
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It's pretty much the same as MBEPIC... SASKINS just installed his on Friday and we met out at the track yesterday... I had an additional straight thru baffle installed before the muffler because I was concerned that it would POP too much... The car sounds incredible now, but the interior noise is a bit more than I would like for long drives and will take some getting used to.

It was great on the track but a little annoying on the 1.5 hour drive on the freeway to and from the track... Be advised, my girlfriend, who had not ridden in the car since I put the Magnaflow on, said to me while we were driving to the track, "What's that buzzing sound from the rear, is something wrong?". I had to explain...


I have a DB meter and some pretty good microphones and will record the interior sound while shifting thru gears since MBEPIC already posted exterior idle and rev sounds...

As far as the increase in HP... I have no clue... I got my *** whooped by a bunch of superchaged and turbocharged japanese drifters yesterday at the track and realized for the first time how underpowered my car is... HELLO SRT6
 

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Old Nov 28, 2004 | 05:59 PM
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I could only hear a couple seconds but ,did your lowend torque change to the worse or would you say not much change.And do you fell any HP gain ?

I would say that there was very little low-end torque difference; I believe the the top end h.p. has improved but I certainly cannot measure that.

My main motive for making the conversion was for the sound difference and the theoretical improvement that should be obtained with dual exhaust over single.
 
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Old Nov 28, 2004 | 11:55 PM
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MBEPIC: Having a hard time uploading any multimedia files to this site... I am on MAC... and have tried to upload .mov .avi Any suggestions... as I have the interior sound of my Magnaflow to share with the rest of the forum
 
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