Censorship
Odd, thespaceport.us (where I am a well-loved mod
) has a political section, a religion section and even separate forums for men and women - and we do just fine!
We are largely conservative, but we have:
one lib-leaning mod,
one hollywood liberal (he writes music for TV shows and commercials)
several lefty types from europe
a guy in russia that thinks russia is the best democracy in the word
and a few average American libs
... and we are all friends! Again, you can discuss politics and disagree and still get along, we do it all the time. Sure, we moderate some posts, usually just editing of a line or two - but it's really rare that we go that far. (Now, I DID delete a post last night because it attacked a fellow forum member, we draw the line at person remarks, they simply are not allowed to stand.)
I don't see why it's so hard here.
We are largely conservative, but we have:
one lib-leaning mod,
one hollywood liberal (he writes music for TV shows and commercials)
several lefty types from europe
a guy in russia that thinks russia is the best democracy in the word
and a few average American libs
... and we are all friends! Again, you can discuss politics and disagree and still get along, we do it all the time. Sure, we moderate some posts, usually just editing of a line or two - but it's really rare that we go that far. (Now, I DID delete a post last night because it attacked a fellow forum member, we draw the line at person remarks, they simply are not allowed to stand.)
I don't see why it's so hard here.

I'm with you, this isn't rocket science.
As Franc mentioned, we all voted on retaining the forum. The majority said "keep it" -- even those that didn't use it. When you don't have a sewer, the **** backs up everywhere (as it is now).
Popular voted be damned, the forum was axed, and many members alienated because of it. Has anyone heard from radmanly lately?
To simplify the political forum into an "Obama roast" is a gross insult to the many great breakthroughs that were had in the past in that sub-forum. Road projects, gas prices, foreign issues, happenings in the military -- those were all covered in that large umbrella of politics.
I'd love to have a chat with my Crossfire buds about Syria, and get their take on it. But I can't, because the mods will view that as "political" and delete the thread.
Yes, the community suffers "lack of depth" as a result.
I know there is a lot hurt, pain & denial leftover from last November for many here....
But... Let’s stick to the basic principles of free enterprise - the folks that purchased this website and forum are now the legitimate owners... It was their money, not yours.. not mine...
And... They have right to require their employees to run their business in a way that best promotes their brand and image....
Every single business owner in America has a right to post a sign that states:
"No Shoes, No Shirt, No Service"...
So put your shoes on, throw on a shirt and enjoy the service!!!
But... Let’s stick to the basic principles of free enterprise - the folks that purchased this website and forum are now the legitimate owners... It was their money, not yours.. not mine...
And... They have right to require their employees to run their business in a way that best promotes their brand and image....
Every single business owner in America has a right to post a sign that states:
"No Shoes, No Shirt, No Service"...
So put your shoes on, throw on a shirt and enjoy the service!!!

Interesting how you checked 180's thread, seeing as it no longer shows up in my subscribed threads OR in his thread history. See attachment.
Perhaps it's archived where only mods can see it?
Beats the heck out of me. 
I'm with you, this isn't rocket science.
As Franc mentioned, we all voted on retaining the forum. The majority said "keep it" -- even those that didn't use it. When you don't have a sewer, the **** backs up everywhere (as it is now).
Popular voted be damned, the forum was axed, and many members alienated because of it. Has anyone heard from radmanly lately?
To simplify the political forum into an "Obama roast" is a gross insult to the many great breakthroughs that were had in the past in that sub-forum. Road projects, gas prices, foreign issues, happenings in the military -- those were all covered in that large umbrella of politics.
I'd love to have a chat with my Crossfire buds about Syria, and get their take on it. But I can't, because the mods will view that as "political" and delete the thread.
Yes, the community suffers "lack of depth" as a result.

I'm with you, this isn't rocket science.
As Franc mentioned, we all voted on retaining the forum. The majority said "keep it" -- even those that didn't use it. When you don't have a sewer, the **** backs up everywhere (as it is now).
Popular voted be damned, the forum was axed, and many members alienated because of it. Has anyone heard from radmanly lately?
To simplify the political forum into an "Obama roast" is a gross insult to the many great breakthroughs that were had in the past in that sub-forum. Road projects, gas prices, foreign issues, happenings in the military -- those were all covered in that large umbrella of politics.
I'd love to have a chat with my Crossfire buds about Syria, and get their take on it. But I can't, because the mods will view that as "political" and delete the thread.
Yes, the community suffers "lack of depth" as a result.

We are stuck viewing everything pretty much thru the lens of an obsolete two seater designed in the late 90's that has no corporate support or successor. Most who original bought the Crossfire did so when it was an exciting new entry and half of those guys have moved on.
The only interesting discussions are in one Sub forum about other cars and one can get that subject elswhere. That and about once a week a curiously pointless but entertaining run of short quips in the Chat box.
I see a newbie name or two most everyday but the daily log on counts seldom exceed more tha 320. Suggesting this Forum loses as many as it gains. Not exactly a growth market.
I know there is a lot hurt, pain & denial leftover from last November for many here....
But... Let’s stick to the basic principles of free enterprise - the folks that purchased this website and forum are now the legitimate owners... It was their money, not yours.. not mine...
And... They have right to require their employees to run their business in a way that best promotes their brand and image....
Every single business owner in America has a right to post a sign that states:
"No Shoes, No Shirt, No Service"...
So put your shoes on, throw on a shirt and enjoy the service!!!
But... Let’s stick to the basic principles of free enterprise - the folks that purchased this website and forum are now the legitimate owners... It was their money, not yours.. not mine...
And... They have right to require their employees to run their business in a way that best promotes their brand and image....
Every single business owner in America has a right to post a sign that states:
"No Shoes, No Shirt, No Service"...
So put your shoes on, throw on a shirt and enjoy the service!!!
I do find it rather interesting that the biggest critics of the political forum only stroke the keyboard when politically-tinged threads pop up. When everyone is discussing filters for the 1,000th time, it's a lurk-fest.
It's like the heroin addict that really hates their addiction, but can't pass up a good sharp.

That being said, Brian -- with you being a forum veteran as well, you'd have to agree that the forum is much less spicy these days. Aside from Woody and Rudy, innovations are at a trickle.
Yes, it's their business decision and all that jazz, but who said all business decisions have to be smart?
I know there is a lot hurt, pain & denial leftover from last November for many here....
But... Let’s stick to the basic principles of free enterprise - the folks that purchased this website and forum are now the legitimate owners... It was their money, not yours.. not mine...
And... They have right to require their employees to run their business in a way that best promotes their brand and image....
Every single business owner in America has a right to post a sign that states:
"No Shoes, No Shirt, No Service"...
So put your shoes on, throw on a shirt and enjoy the service!!!
But... Let’s stick to the basic principles of free enterprise - the folks that purchased this website and forum are now the legitimate owners... It was their money, not yours.. not mine...
And... They have right to require their employees to run their business in a way that best promotes their brand and image....
Every single business owner in America has a right to post a sign that states:
"No Shoes, No Shirt, No Service"...
So put your shoes on, throw on a shirt and enjoy the service!!!
That said, you might want to be careful about the political content of your post here.
Jus' saying
Personaly, I don't really wantpolitical threads here again. That wel lis poisoned and there are plenty of places elswhere. But come on,a casual reference here and there?
The discussion inthat threadbarely touched politics. And only breigly. It focused primarily on the cvompanies involved with our little car.
Mods can delete anything. They should do so when it gets out of hand. And onthat subject, it never did.
Last edited by Franc Rauscher; Jan 11, 2013 at 12:20 AM.
I've noticed a drop in your post-frequency as well, LOL. Good to see you post again.
I do find it rather interesting that the biggest critics of the political forum only stroke the keyboard when politically-tinged threads pop up. When everyone is discussing filters for the 1,000th time, it's a lurk-fest.
It's like the heroin addict that really hates their addiction, but can't pass up a good sharp.
That being said, Brian -- with you being a forum veteran as well, you'd have to agree that the forum is much less spicy these days. Aside from Woody and Rudy, innovations are at a trickle.
Yes, it's their business decision and all that jazz, but who said all business decisions have to be smart?
I do find it rather interesting that the biggest critics of the political forum only stroke the keyboard when politically-tinged threads pop up. When everyone is discussing filters for the 1,000th time, it's a lurk-fest.
It's like the heroin addict that really hates their addiction, but can't pass up a good sharp.

That being said, Brian -- with you being a forum veteran as well, you'd have to agree that the forum is much less spicy these days. Aside from Woody and Rudy, innovations are at a trickle.
Yes, it's their business decision and all that jazz, but who said all business decisions have to be smart?

Yet, I still enjoy reading the excitement of the newbees... and occasionally following the "same-ol-efforts" to "mod" this or "do" that..
Maybe someday they'll be a successful "turbo kit" or -40 deg "Intercooler" mod... ya never know...
But please don't think for a moment because I no longer post like I did when I was modding - that I don't frequent and still enjoy this forum....
I still answer many, many a PM from the newbees.....
Enjoy your crossfire....
I've just taken it to another venue......
Same here, as shown in my screen shot I provided... I even performed a search for "Connecticut" and "gun control" just to cover all the bases, and nothing. There was another much smaller thread that he made one post in, but that entire thread only had 15 replies and I wasn't involved in it. Ironically, that thread remains. Apparently, zero tolerance isn't really zero tolerance.
The thread 180 created is gone. Vanished. Poof. Censored.
Your word against mine?
I digress.
The forum gets it at this point. We can go back to talking about intakes, and moaning about being an orphan.
Peace out.
The thread 180 created is gone. Vanished. Poof. Censored.
Your word against mine?
I digress.

The forum gets it at this point. We can go back to talking about intakes, and moaning about being an orphan.
Peace out.


