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No Start. RCM IS NOT MY PROBLEM

Old Aug 14, 2010 | 02:37 PM
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Code could be unrelated to your starting problem.
 
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Old Aug 14, 2010 | 03:47 PM
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Originally Posted by tighed1
Code could be unrelated to your starting problem.
I agree with DJ on this one, and what I referred to as interlock, is ignition switch on down the line, skreen, etc...trace that area...
 
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Old Aug 14, 2010 | 04:03 PM
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Live Free or Die! I left NH 11 years ago, but still recognize that handle! Good luck finding the problem. I bought at MG coupe that had been under water and the ignition switch was all I really had to replace. Is that a possiblility? Does the starter come alive when grounded with a screwdriver?
George
 
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Old Aug 14, 2010 | 06:03 PM
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Originally Posted by tighed1
Code could be unrelated to your starting problem.
I agree - don't let that distract you. Finding out why the $*%*$ starter wont spin may not be all THAT hard!

I URGE you to get Tigh1 to exchange your RCM - it IS a known problem. I still think you have a flacky relay on the RCM.

I don't totally beleive what the dealer techs are telling you, does not sound to me like 100% perfect troubleshooting techniques to me. Sure wish I was local to you, I'd be happy to grab my DVM and see just where the "signal" is being lost here!
 
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Old Aug 15, 2010 | 03:15 PM
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Thanks for all the support and replies.

This morning the guy who sold the car to me came over to help me. He also owns a crossfire and is member of one of the clubs. He had a spare RCM that we installed, and the problem still persisted all the lights come on but no response from engine.
I really wish that the RCM was my problem because all the symptoms were there, but it seems my problem might be a little more complex.

I've also replaced the battery with a 48-72 i got from O'reilly auto parts.

I haven't checked the starter as I don't have a lift and car sits to low to get to starter. also the guy who sold me the car is going to pay to have it towed to a mechanic he trusts just to put it on a lift and check the starter.


Could this possibly be a cam or crankshaft position sensor problem?
When that is the issue does the car always turn over also?
I also have the issue where my radiator fan comes on really strong and I believe stays on so long as the key is turned on I don't think it shuts off except when car is turned off of course.

So hopefully I will have good news next week. but I will definitely keep this thread updated because I don't want this to happen to anyone else.
 
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Old Aug 15, 2010 | 05:16 PM
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Could this possibly be a cam or crankshaft position sensor problem? No

When that is the issue does the car always turn over also? Yes, but won't start or will start but quits when it gets hot. It usually throws a code as well, but NOT always from what I have read on here.

I also have the issue where my radiator fan comes on really strong and I believe stays on so long as the key is turned on I don't think it shuts off except when car is turned off of course.
This MIGHT indicate an electrical problem, but not sure.

My fan only comes on full speed when the engine is warm, it comes on SLOW with the A/C on. Exceptoin is that it does come on fast for a few seconds on startup IF the car has been recently run.
 
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Old Aug 15, 2010 | 05:39 PM
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Strange the guy would have a spare RCM.
 
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Old Aug 15, 2010 | 06:09 PM
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Originally Posted by tighed1
Strange the guy would have a spare RCM.
Kinda sounds like he was chasing a problem with the car to begin with.

(IMO, of course. I mean I'm not saying... just, you know. Just saying.)
 
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Old Aug 16, 2010 | 08:56 AM
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And the plot thickens in the investigation of the (No Start. RCM IS NOT MY PROBLEM) drama. What insidious plan lurks behind the next turn in this ongoing battle between man and electronic? Will tighted one still try to get livefreeordie to send him his RCM? Will the prior owner suggest a magical cure? Will the stealership be making a surprise and unwelcome appearances? Stay tune for the climactic conclusions of this epic drama.
 
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Old Aug 16, 2010 | 10:39 AM
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Would you care to share your VIN? Mileage?
When the dealership said it was in a flood, did they run a service history check? What kind of tittle does it have?
Intriging minds want to know, why did the previous owner have a spare RCM?
 
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Old Aug 16, 2010 | 11:32 AM
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Hey guys i sold him this car! I had a spare RCM for my other srt6 that i carry in my car i have a spare cps,set of spare tires and wheels, spare ic pump and many other spare parts that i carry with me when going on long gtg. That mystery is solved.

Car had a clean carfax/autocheck. I drove the car about 300 miles after i brought it at auction. I had the state inspection done on car it passed emissions.

He the now owner told me the dealer/mechanic would not guarantee that if these parts were replaced 5000$ that that would fix it! Flood damage no ,condensation maybe? there is a hole in bottom of box that lets air in. we all have this. The car has a aftermarket radio in it!! So i am paying to have it towed to a electrical shop/not dealer to get a diagnostic and then go from there. Danny
 
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Old Aug 16, 2010 | 11:46 AM
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That helps!
Thanks for chiming in Danny.
 
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Old Aug 16, 2010 | 11:56 AM
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Originally Posted by texas t
Hey guys i sold him this car!
Well, why did you say so? We didn't know it was one of us!

Sounds like the dealer is "full of it".
 
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Old Aug 16, 2010 | 04:05 PM
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Livefreeordie,

Rest assured, you bought the car from a very stand-up guy who I have done business with in the past. I am sure he will do whatever he deems necessary to try and help you out, and I am sure he would do the same if he met you off the street, we are a big family here....

You doing the Dragon nametags again this year, Danny?

I hope so, they turned out very well in years past
 
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Old Aug 16, 2010 | 07:08 PM
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Thanks for the support , Yes name tags for all, make sure ur info is correct on list! Danny
 
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Old Aug 17, 2010 | 12:33 PM
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Originally Posted by livefreeordie
Thanks for all the support and replies.


I haven't checked the starter as I don't have a lift and car sits to low to get to starter. also the guy who sold me the car is going to pay to have it towed to a mechanic he trusts just to put it on a lift and check the starter.


Could this possibly be a cam or crankshaft position sensor problem?
When that is the issue does the car always turn over also?
Okay, now I am confused.

Is the engine cranking over when you turn the key, but just not firing up?
Or does it do absolutely nothing when you turn the key?

Which is it?

BC.
 
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Old Aug 17, 2010 | 01:06 PM
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The engine does nothing, all gauges come, fuel pump comes on, and rad fan ramps up to full speed with key on, but not engaging starter
 
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Old Aug 17, 2010 | 01:10 PM
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Originally Posted by texas t
The engine does nothing, all gauges come, fuel pump comes on, and rad fan ramps up to full speed with key on, but not engaging starter
By chance did you do the "Me So Horny" mod? If done incorrectly you will get the EXACT symptoms you mention.
 
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Old Aug 17, 2010 | 03:04 PM
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By chance did you do the "Me So Horny" mod? If done incorrectly you will get the EXACT symptoms you mention.
An explanation is required here.
 
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Old Aug 17, 2010 | 03:43 PM
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Originally Posted by onehundred80
An explanation is required here.
If you have looked at the MSH mod you will notice that it requires you to cut a couple of runs on the circuit board of the RCM.
If you don't cut them deep enough you will be applying voltage to other parts of the board that normally don't have voltage (other relays get energized).
The car will not start and I believe the fan will turn on.
Found this all out by mistake when I didn't make my cuts deep enough on my first try.
At least that's what I recall...

That's why I was wondering if someone tried the MSH mod. Just guessin' and tryin' ta help!
 
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