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Old Nov 3, 2010 | 08:06 AM
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WTH? "TOURING EDITION" - Base coupe with Leather?

So, are the "touring edition" stickers just added by the same guy who put leather seats in there or is this a factory configuration I ddin't know about?

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Old Nov 3, 2010 | 08:26 AM
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Looks like a base with installed leather seats, fog lights and a decal..
 
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Old Nov 3, 2010 | 09:45 AM
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That's what I was thinking.
 
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Old Nov 3, 2010 | 09:55 AM
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No such thing. Guy could of saved himself some money if he just bought a limited.
 
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Old Nov 3, 2010 | 10:24 AM
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Reported it for misleading title. Notified ebay there was never a "touring edition" of the Crossfire and that seller was intentionally trying to mislead consumers.

Sometimes I like to be a *****.
 
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Old Nov 3, 2010 | 11:06 AM
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Originally Posted by shapeshifter309
Reported it for misleading title. Notified ebay there was never a "touring edition" of the Crossfire and that seller was intentionally trying to mislead consumers.

Sometimes I like to be a *****.
IMHO...you are not being a *****, the truth is the truth. I do the same thing, if I see something on ebay that is misleading I let the seller know first...if they don't correct thier listing...then I report it directly to ebay.

 
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Old Nov 3, 2010 | 12:07 PM
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Mark, are you listening?

Stop looking at base models, for what I did with mine, they are great, less things to worry about when you are changing everything, but for you, who is used to the subtle difference of the limited, and will not be modding, you will be disappointed. Not to mention the fact that this car is drastically overpriced.
 
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Old Nov 3, 2010 | 02:21 PM
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John, Im just snooping around. I am flying to Boston on the 14th to look at TWO roadsters with a stick!
Already have my flight paid for and a car reserved!

Shapeshifter: You are not being a "*****". You are defending the ignorant buyers out there, someone will probably owe you a "thank you".
 
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Old Nov 3, 2010 | 02:38 PM
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John, Im just snooping around. I am flying to Boston on the 14th to look at TWO roadsters with a stick!
Already have my flight paid for and a car reserved!

Shapeshifter: You are not being a "*****". You are defending the ignorant buyers out there, someone will probably owe you a "thank you".
Mark, yes, take Boiler Ups advice. You are not building a car, just buying one.

I've noticed that when it comes to roadsters, the dealers seem to price the base models the same as the limited ones. Assuming, I presume, that the unaware will pay the difference.

Get a Limited.


Even the SE version, which is really cool having the SRT wheels and the black & red combo. You will miss the heated, leather seats, the fog lights et AL. Any attempt to install these perks will cost twice as much as just doing the Limited in the first place.

Get a Limited


It is akin to putting an SRT engine in an NA. Never pays off.

Get a Limited.

You will be dissapointed inthe base model by comparrison.

Get a Limited


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Old Nov 3, 2010 | 02:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Franc Rauscher
Get a Limited


It is akin to putting an SRT engine in an NA. Never pays off.

Get a Limited.
Yeah...

Right up until the very moment that you hit the throttle, I bet.
That's when the payoff happens, each and every time.

Having the power of an SRT6 engine attached to a manual transmission would be a very, very good thing. I'm sure you could appreciate it, too.

Engine and Drive Train mods shouldn't be compared against changing seats or adding fog lamps.

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Old Nov 3, 2010 | 03:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Bladecutter
Yeah...

Right up until the very moment that you hit the throttle, I bet.
That's when the payoff happens, each and every time.

Having the power of an SRT6 engine attached to a manual transmission would be a very, very good thing. I'm sure you could appreciate it, too.

Engine and Drive Train mods shouldn't be compared against changing seats or adding fog lamps.

BC.
Maybe. But the money spent could be reallocated to a different platform which would provide better ROI.

Our cars are cool but not racers. And why, if all you wanted was faster traps on the quarter would you go manual?

I've run both NA and SRT thru the Dragon. I'm sure the boost of an SC on a manual would feel good in the pants, but I doubt my run thrus would be significantly faster. Certainly not worth the dough involved.

And frankly, the stock manual couldn't take the torque.

I'm not discounting your very intrigueing concept. However, If I was trying to boost a manual NA with serious hardware, I would look at a twin turbo concept. But that's another thread topic.

In the end, Mark is not looking for an SRT but a decent Stick with the less complicated engine.

And fewer hookups with the local deputies.
 

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Old Nov 3, 2010 | 03:19 PM
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Yea, I have observed that Base and SE Roadsters are VIRTUALLY the same price as a Limited Roadster.

And as I told one salesguy: "An SE is a base with red paint, cool rims and satin door handles and stakes... the rest of the car is a base model".
 
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Old Nov 3, 2010 | 03:51 PM
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Heck, I fell in love with the XF when it was announced based on looks alone. I would have bought one if it had a 2.5ltr 180 V6. I bought a new first gen Avenger with 160hp and then traded that in for a 3G Eclipse with 205, so my XF with 215 is trending upward.
 
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Old Nov 3, 2010 | 03:57 PM
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Default Re: Base Model - Touring Edition?

Originally Posted by shapeshifter309
Reported it for misleading title. Notified ebay there was never a "touring edition" of the Crossfire and that seller was intentionally trying to mislead consumers.

Sometimes I like to be a *****.
Not a ***** at all. Misleading headings and info like that are what have made E-Bay the scam it CAN be.
 
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Old Nov 3, 2010 | 04:58 PM
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some dealerships make up their own models by adding things to a base model...they will add stripes, customs wheels and such, then give it a name...local dealers do it a lot here in Indy....maybe this is what they did, maybe not....but take everyone's advise...by a limited....lol
 
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Old Nov 4, 2010 | 09:44 AM
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Originally Posted by Franc Rauscher
Maybe. But the money spent could be reallocated to a different platform which would provide better ROI.

Our cars are cool but not racers. And why, if all you wanted was faster traps on the quarter would you go manual?
Who said anything about wanting a supercharger on a car because I wanted faster traps in the 1/4 mile drag strip? Heck, who said anything about drag strips?

I drive mountains, and I run around on actual road course tracks.
Manual is the better transmission for these applications, because it puts the driver 100% in control of the shift points. And with all the different threads about you guys wanting to adjust the shift points, feel, and axle ratios of your automatic cars, it says volumes of what everyone here thinks of the quality of the automatic transmission as a performance transmission.

Also, I live in Denver, which is at 5k feet, and regularly drive anywhere between 5k and 13k feet when i go up in the mountains for a drive. The Supercharger would allow the car to drive pretty much the same during the whole excursion. You will be reminded of this next year, I believe.

I've run both NA and SRT through the Dragon. I'm sure the boost of an SC on a manual would feel good in the pants, but I doubt my run through would be significantly faster. Certainly not worth the dough involved.

And frankly, the stock manual couldn't take the torque.
So far, I haven't seen a single person on this forum put enough hp into a manual transmission to break it.
I've seen a handful have failures because of crappy parts.
But not a single failure because of added hp.

I'm not discounting your very intriguing concept. However, If I was trying to boost a manual NA with serious hardware, I would look at a twin turbo concept. But that's another thread topic.

In the end, Mark is not looking for an SRT but a decent Stick with the less complicated engine.

And fewer hookups with the local deputies.
He should just become friends with all the deputies first, and then he won't have to worry about them at all.

I love all the threads about people doing interesting mods with the Crossfire, like dropping in a Mercedes V-8, or adding a supercharger or a turbo charger to the n/a motor. Makes me think, and shows that they can too.

Personally, I would go with a supercharger, but I would buy the SRT6 pistons and con rods first, then I would redesign the intake manifold to eliminate the flapper valve intake length changing hardware, and go from there. Then you can make full boost, have a better intake design, and go nuts.

But that's just me.

BC.
 
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Old Nov 4, 2010 | 01:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Bladecutter
Personally, I would go with a supercharger, but I would buy the SRT6 pistons and con rods first, then I would redesign the intake manifold to eliminate the flapper valve intake length changing hardware, and go from there. Then you can make full boost, have a better intake design, and go nuts.

But that's just me.

BC.
It is a lot easier to bench race and talk about what you want to do, Franc has put thousands into the performance of his MANUAL XF, so I think he knows a little about what they can do....

Not to mention he has an SRT and a manual XF, so he would also know quite a bit about FI vs. NA, especially on this car.
 
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Old Nov 4, 2010 | 04:21 PM
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Trust me, I am aware that Franc has an SRT6 and an n/a manual, and that he knows the car well.

I know what I know from going to college for Automotive Design and repair.
I can bench race with the best of them, and actually tear down and rebuild an engine, not to mention put together a shopping list of parts, and make it work.

I personally prefer playing with motorcycle engines, because you can get exotic designs for much less money than a similar engine in a car. The desmodromic valvetrain in my Ducati 848 is a great example of this. Designed to allow incredibly steep cam profiles, and eliminate valve float at high rpms. I would love to play with the top level exotic car engines on a regular basis, but I can't afford it.

I'm just restating that I can see value in a supercharged Crossfire with a manual transmission, for my driving style and environment.

But all of this is way off the original topic.

BC.
 
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