lol people can make all the excuses they want, the first one across the line wins and it looks like the caliber srt is not the winner.

you can call a car quicker, faster or what ever term you want but it still does not make it the one that crosses the line first and that is all that counts.

roll racing is for people that have no skills or have a car that is "crippled" with fwd and need every excuse and advantage they can get to try and win a race. that is not racing, that is ricer racing.

regardless of what you like or see in a car, just have fun with what you have. that is what it is all about, not excuses or misinformation to try and make a car look faster than what it is.

 

I have no idea where you are going with all of that...lol...sounds like a little bit of a rant. I'm not talking about roll racing...I'm talking about racing in general. "Quicker" and "Faster" are pretty well accepted slang in racing (least around here anyway)...and no...I'm not talking about street racing. A car that goes 12.5 at 102mph could still get its butt handed to it by a car that goes 12.8 at 109mph any day at the straight before turn 3 (example)...or...in a grudge race where the 12.5 car hesitates at the start.

I agree with your last comments though.

I don't care if I have FWD or not (well...I do in winter..haha)...I'm sure I will start surprising cars and car owners once I start modding this SS and unforunately I'll have trouble looking like a ricer with its hum-drum design...

 

it may sound like it but i am not hating on any cars I think quicker and faster are the same thing lol. FWD is nice in the winter, my HHR goes great in the snow with the winter tires on.

 

Ummm. It is very much the driver.

Just like it takes more skill to drive a 6 speed and hit 4 gears in a 1/4 mile than stomping "go" in an automatic.

I guess people with standard transmissions are "crippled" too.


I've seen two people drive the same car. One get a 2.0 60ft and the other rip a 2.6 60ft. The driver is the most important part. Every car is limited by it's driver.

Saying "I won the race" is completely different than saying "I have a faster car".

If I ran a 13.60 @ 107 and the WRX ran a 13.58 at 98. He won THAT race. But his car isn't faster.


Sure, FWD is a flawed platform. Some would say the same for an automatic "sports car". I'd like to AGAIN point out the irony. You're making fun of a flawed platform (FWD) ugly Caliber SRT-4.....when you drive an AUTOMATIC sports car that has one of the most criticized exteriors in recent history.

 

If you think a 13.6 is faster than a 13.58 then you may want to go back to school.

 

This makes sense. When two cars are similar in quarter mile times... do they not normally race best out of five or so? This is because they take into consideration when cars are getting nearly the same times, they must consider the variable of the driver. Honestly, you might never know which car is "faster"... the guy who wins the best out of 5 could swap cars and win with that car as well. He might be a more experienced racer. Now, if a car runs an 11.9xx and another car runs a 14.xxx I think you can say with confidence which car is faster. But when it is so close, saying one car is faster just because it won that ONE race is purely stupid and ignorant.

 

is stupid and ignorant sort of like faster and quicker?

 

This thread is giving me a headache, mrphotoman, you made your point. You can stop anytime.

 

I think you all are forgetting something. mrphotoman lives his life a 1/4 mile at a time........ ..... every race MATTERS!!!!

 

I will post up as much as i want just like anyone else can. This is a discussion on cars and what is faster at the track, anyone can comment all they want on it including me. No members have any more right to post up in this thread than any other member.

Personally, I stay out of threads I do not enjoy and participate in threads that I do enjoy. That way I do not stay in threads that I find boring or irritating or "give me a headache" even though I do not recall ever being in a thread that actually physically gave me a headache.

I do think everyone should keep this thread on topic and not resort to personal attacks telling people they should stop posting here however.


Back on topic, any time I have ever been to the track over the past several years the faster car was the one that ran the faster time. That has been my experience at every track I have ever visited. Some cars may trap higher but if they can not put that power to the ground then they are most definately NOT faster. Making power, setting up your suspension and putting the power to the ground are all equally important. If you skip one of those 3 things then you will never be as fast as you could be. Tuning your car and racing is all about running faster times and improving your cars performance. If you spend all your money on making power and forget about improving traction then all you will have is a dyno queen that you can brag about what times it should be running not what it actually can run.

I am not sure why this site is so sensitive over discussions like this, every other forum on the net has discussions like this every day of the week without people getting all bent out of shape, compaining to moderators and telling people to stop posting lol. There is nothing mean in this thread, hurtful or intended to be mean or hurtful. It is a simple discussion on what makes cars faster, why someone would be so sensitive to be upset over that is beyond me.

 

Every race does matter as long as you are having fun, it is when you get to the point that it upsets you and you make excuses that it no longer matters. It is all about having fun, not making excuses.

What times did you run in your srt6 and what times do you run with your cobalt? What are some of the mods you did to them and what are your plans?

 

Again. I'm beginning to wonder if you've ever been to the track before.

The DRIVER can't put the power to the ground. That is in no way indicative of how fast the CAR is.

The car doesn't come from the factory with the floor pegged to the ground. The driver puts it there and spins to eternity.

I was at the track on Friday and ran a slightly modded Dodge Ram Dayton on slicks. It was the first night open this year and they "re surfaced" the track while it was closed. I literally spun through second with the traction control light blinking like mad. He blasted out of the hole on slicks. I caught traction made up probably 4 car lengths. He passed the finish line JUST before I did at probably 95mph.

I trapped 109. The run was a 13.8 at 109 with a 2.667 60ft.

He was in the 14's.

BUT WAIT! He BEAT me to the finish line? So his truck is faster?

See, I was still bringing my RPM up when the tree turned green. Since REACTION TIME doesn't factor into your time, I waited a bit.


So to sum up: The driver had a JUMP because he had a better reaction time, and was able to control his traction better than me, therefore he crossed the finish line first. *GASP* It sounds like he is a BETTER DRIVER than I am!

Winner: 14.XX @ 95

Loser: 13.8 @ 109


My question to you, mrphotoman:

Is the faster car the lower 1/4 mile time? Or who gets to the finish line first?

Because they can be two very different things.

 

LMAO, yeah I have never been to the track before! You sure got me there!

That is a sweet 60' time you have and mph. Using your logic you have my best times beat if I had ever went to the track before (which I haven't).

How the car puts the power down IS indicative of how fast the CAR is. If you have a 1000whp car and you have no traction then the car is not fast. If your car can not run fast times because it has no traction then it is not fast. It is very simple, I am not sure why it is so confusing to some of you.

There are no reasons to make excuses, magazine race, bench race or say how fast your car COULD be. When it comes down to it when you are at the track all that matters is what your car ACTUALLY runs. If you run bad times because you have poor traction then your car is not fast.

As for your example below, of course your car is a little faster than his. The last time I checked a 13.8 is faster than a 14 second run lol. An easy way to figure it out is to take the times of the 2 people racing, compare the two and which one has a lower time is the faster car. For example, a 13 second run is faster than a 14 second run, a 14 second run is faster than a 15 second run but slower than a 12 second run. A 10 second run is faster than a 11 second run but slower than a 9 second run.

 

I think what mrphotoman is trying to say is don't say what you woulda/coulda do, just do it. If you car woulda ran a 12.6 instead of a 13.2 because you didn't have traction then you have 13 second car, not a woulda been 12 car. Traction and other things are a fact of life and saying what you woulda did doesn't change the fact that you didn't and probably couldn't do for whatever reason. My best time to date is a 12.48, BUT? Had I had some great weather and better traction I THINK I woulda had an 11 second run (says me) but who knows and cares cuz I didn't do it, case closed. Everyone can come up with an excuse, legit or not, but it doesn't change anything. Your car is as fast as that lil piece of paper they hand you at the end of your run PERIOD.

 

Agreed, and that point has been made over and over.

 

Did you take some tylenol to help with that headache?

 

Again, that little slip said I LOST to that Daytona pick up who ran a significantly slower time than I did. Just because you ran a faster time doesn't mean you crossed the finish line first (missing shifts, bad reaction times).

Every driver is different, so when comparing 2 cars, you have to view them in a vaccum.

Just because my reaction time is bad and I can't launch a car to save my life doesn't mean the car is slow. It means I suck at driving.


You're seriously telling me that a 16 year old (for all you know) who posted a 14.6 second slip on Dragtimes should be indicitive of how fast all Caliber SRT-4's are. You're insane.

 

By the way...I just want everybody to know that my comments are all in good fun...not trying to butt-hurt anybody....

 

Okay tough guy you are right. The only time it counts or when a car is fast is when you say it is. That timeslip showing how fast it took you to run from point a to point b is meaningless. What really counts is what excuses you personally come up with and what you say is faster.

I will confirm with you who had the faster cars the next time I return from the track so I do not get confused.

Remember that everyone, Illegal Machine is the final end all say in what car won and was fastest. Timeslips are moot unless he approves it.

For all we know that 20 second broken down honda could be faster than that 6 second dragster if Illegal Machine says so.

 

You two need a hug! LOL