I THOUGHT his post sounded familiar. This is from August of last year. haha

 

chrome is what most of the rednecks use on their jacked up trucks, other than that it is nice on the old classic cars of the 50's and 60's. I think chrome looks terrible and tacky on late model cars.

As for the caliber, I simply think it is a very ugly car. Stock they run 14's and I am sure by turning up the boost they would do much better. Regardless, they are so homely I have no interest in them at all.

As for other brands, makes, models of cars I like them all. I try to buy something different every time I get a new car. I buy what I like regardless of make or model, if I like it I get it. I do not buy only domestic or only imports. I think it is silly to limit yourself to one brand or model of car.

Back on topic to the original poster. Race the car, post up the results, your done. If you win, great. If you lose, big deal. Go get an intake or pulley or both then race him again.

 

Lol.....................

 

My son's '05 Neon SRT4 with just a few bolt-ons posted a 12.6 et and a 109 mph at Orlando Speedworld back in November. He did take out his seats and added 2 gallons of 100 octane. But still... Oh yea, and of course this being his best time was against me where I had to come from behind and nudge him with a 12.5. He almost had me! So don't go knocking on these SRT4's that can spank many peeps out there with little work done to them. Actually, any car with the SRT badge on it, is a force to be reckoned with! Dodge did an incredible job putting the power down from just 4 measly cylinders.

Here's a list of his only mods.... Now that's impressive!

Forge WGA(20/15) & BOV, Needswings DP w cut out, MPx 3in o2, K&N filter, MSD wires, Fuel pump rewire, 180 t-stat, Fan mod, Cats removed, DR's

262.79whp/293.68wtq

Here's his time slips...

http://www.myslips.com/profile/Mimi05srt4/

 

Sounds familiar to my SRT-4.

Ran 12.5@110

3" CAI, 3" turbo back exhaust, hahn WGA, boost controller, stage 1, FPR with return line, larger FMIC, plugs wires and slicks.

The car could go to the track, hot lap and run consistant times all day long, 10-15 passes.

The Caliber's World engine is better, has a bigger turbo. The car itself is ugly, heavier and slower stock, however responds very well to mods.

A Caliber SRT-4 on a 100shot would be damn fast.

 

Can't wait for my son to upgrade his stock ecu...

 

I had stage 3 on my srt4 and it was a blast

 

Get a Diablosport tuner. Unless you're going full on stage 3, don't mess with the Mopar staged ECU's. They were nice the first few years, but the modding community has officially passed them by.

 

As a prior polished turd wart owner, I can attest to how quick those little b*st*rds are with the right person behind the wheel. In all honesty, a tear almost came to my eye the way some of you were talking about it and that is fine as it's your opinion but I loved that car and wish I could have afforded to keep it and buy the Crossfire. If you threw a grand at both, I'm sorry to say the cali would probably win. Performance is really expensive for our cars and there is so much more of an aftermarket for the cali. Now if you drove both off the lot, hands down the SRT-6. Granted, it's no where near as nice of a car when you get into the appointments and that but it was very quick and it treated me very well for my short ownership of it. They really are a nice little car and you get a lot for a little price tag. Remember there are holes in the lineup now that the Crossfire is disco'd. Your only choice now is between the 3 big V8's or the cali if you want performance.

 

What is a cali? California? I always hated that when kids felt the need to make a slang name for every car out there (skittle, cali, etc) lol.

I just think the cars are hideously ugly and i would not want it for that reason. Heck who knows, I may feel differently in a year but i doubt it. I used to think that crossies I mean crossfires were ugly as hell but now I own one lol.

I spent a few minutes looking at a few caliber forums and on dragtimes and on some review sites and I have not seen any mention of them running any faster than mid 13's. I am not saying they can not but it looks like the vast majority of them are running anywhere from 15's to a best of mid 13's in the 1/4 mile. Some of those kids may be using their "gtech" like computer in their cars to give them a false reading of running faster but I could not even find that. I did not spend much time looking but typically when a car runs a nice time people will brag about it and post timeslips. I would say there are some exceptions out there and a few of them may have ran a better time but I sure can not find it. They would need slicks or some great drag radials with fwd to get there I would say. I also found that all the reviews on the car bashed it for its looks and for its horrible handling as well. They all ran mid to high 14's in the reviews.

As for choices of something "fast" out there, I think there are a lot of cars out there that are "fast" and much much much better looking.

wrx
sti
evo

mazdaspeed3
genesis coupe
various lotus
sky redline
cobalt ss (yuck lol)
mustang
corvette
various mercedes
various bmw
etc just to name a few

 

Like I said. These cars are FWD with HIGH torque. a 1/4 mile time isn't going to be fully indicative of how fast the car actually is. So yes, you'd need drag radials or slicks to run a mid 13. That doesn't mean the car isn't fast, it just has traction issues.

Looks are subjective. The Crossfire is one of the most criticized cars when it comes to looks. You think we'd give some sympathy to a similarly received car.

That's a really random list of cars. Coblat SS (turbo) are monsters now, too.

In fact, you could easily present that same list to a Crossfire owner as to why they purchased their car.

 

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Looks are obviously just based upon the eye of the beholder, but this little SS I have is even more of a monster than my Neon SRT-4 (ACR) that I had before the SRT-6. I honestly believe (and the facts out there back it up) that this Cobalt can compete with the best of them (Evo, SRT-6, MS3) in both straight-line speed and the twisties. Then I can go ahead and haul s 6 year-old in the back and get 32mpg on the way home from the track. It's the best of both worlds for me. Don't get me wrong...I LOVED the SRT-6 that I had...it was my Dream Car for a long time, but I missed my Neon SRT-4 like CRAZY the whole time I had the SRT-6. There is just something about these little 4cyl. monsters. They have a lot of personality/soul (good and bad).

Just as another little note...I've driven the Caliber SRT-4...it's NOT anything like the Neon SRT-4. Completely different extremes with a shared idea/concept.

 

Traction is part of the mix on how fast a car is. If a car is not capible of having traction then it is not fast. The FWD on the car is just as much as part of it as the engine.

If you can not get the power to the ground then what good is it? The low 15's to mid 13's are the times it runs, if it is crippled because of the fwd on the streets and on the track then that is part of the car and yes that does mean that is the times it runs.

 

What shared components between the Neon and Caliber? It has a completely different 2.4L in it. It's the new world engine.

 

No, that's the DRIVER we're talking about, not the car. The driver is the reason you're going to see wide ranges in 1/4 times because a FWD platform is harder launch.

Also, on the "streets" many races don't go from 0 mph. Most times street races start as encounters on a freeway. I've seen people get down to 35-40mph on the free way to race, but almost never 0.

From a roll, the traction is less of an issue.


I once met a guy at the 1/4 mile here with a WRX (I was in my Neon SRT-4). He asked me what my best time was. I said, "13.6."

He said, "Me too!".

I asked what he trapped. He said, "98mph!"

I said, "107mph".

He **** bricks.

We had identical times at the track, but his car was NOT faster than mine. Basically, we would both hit the 1/4 point at the same time, and I'd be passing him going 107 mph to his 98.

 

The 2.4L 4 banger in the Neon SRT4 and PT Cruiser GT is one hell of a stout little lump. You can easily make 450HP on stock internals with these things, and that is without spray. I've know several guys who are running in the 12s with modded PT Cruisers, one guy even running high 11s with his amps and subs still in the car! He dyno'd at close to 600HP. Still can't go around a corner worth a damn.

Hell, my little PT Cruiser with nothing but the Stage 1 ECU has run 14.4 at the track, and that was with horrible surface prep and a 2.1 sec 60' time. The really fun thing was my car came from the factory in what is know as "Turbo Lite" trim, meaning it had the exact same engine as the GT/SRT4 but managed by an ECU tuned to run on regular gas instead of premium and making just 180HP instead of 220HP. So when I swapped out from the factory ECU to the Stage 1 ECU I jumped from that 180HP/195lb-ft to 245HP/265lb-ft in 20 minutes. For a mere $350!!! Wouldn't it be nice to gain 1/3 more power in a Crossfire (or any other car) for such a small amount of cash??

Oh, and from 25mph that little automatic trans PT will light the front tires if I jump on it. Damn FWD!

 

lol, traction issues due to fwd are not the driver it is the car.

a 13.6@800mph is slower than a 12.0@116mph no matter how you want to try and fudge it lol.

 

Traction issues are traction issues, regardless of which wheels are putting the power down. A '65 Shelby Cobra is RWD and if all you do is rev to 5,000 rpm and side step the clutch you won't get any traction either. And you certainly won't run a fast 1/4 mile. Regardless of what you're driving you have to know how to drive it.

But no matter how you slice it, spin it, smoke it...... the first one to the line wins. Period.

 

Holy bejesus...you read my whole post and picked that part out?! I'm talking shared ideas/concepts/direction...let me edit that for the the picksters....

 

The 12.0 at 116mph is definitely "quicker"...but it is not "faster"...there is a difference. You have to take into count here that we are talking about crossing a set distance at 1/4 mile...not top speed or "passing" power.

Depending on the application you may want one or the other.