is this normal
Originally Posted by 240M3SRT
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Originally Posted by mrphotoman
the reason the stock pumps fail is because the vast majority of these cars sat on lots for long periods of time without being used.
But I would think that, if the cars were just setting around, that the mechanicals of the pump might get flaky, no coolant being pushed around=no lubrication of the moving parts. But I found that the mechs. on the Bosch were just fine.
Weird stuff.....
Originally Posted by Kurts
You might just be right, Photo. I've wondered about the OEM's because we've all read the threads where they seem to fail around 30K or so, even less at times. My SRT is a daily driver (except when it's snowing) & my Bosch first failed at a wee bit over 70K.
But I would think that, if the cars were just setting around, that the mechanicals of the pump might get flaky, no coolant being pushed around=no lubrication of the moving parts. But I found that the mechs. on the Bosch were just fine.
Weird stuff.....
But I would think that, if the cars were just setting around, that the mechanicals of the pump might get flaky, no coolant being pushed around=no lubrication of the moving parts. But I found that the mechs. on the Bosch were just fine.
Weird stuff.....
those bosh pumps are on all kinds of cars and they work great. i really do think that is why we see them fail on our cars though. who knows for sure though. 70k is great though, you got your moneys worth out of your stock one for sure!
Originally Posted by mrphotoman
the reason the stock pumps fail is because the vast majority of these cars sat on lots for long periods of time without being used.
my pump is still going strong thank you.
everyone, just buy what you want.
some people like to spend way more money with no better results. some people like to spend less money for same results. it is up to you
my pump is still going strong thank you.
everyone, just buy what you want.
some people like to spend way more money with no better results. some people like to spend less money for same results. it is up to you
talk about throwing speculation out there!
i agree buy what you want but ill pay for a proven decent pump over 1 that has a history of failure
Originally Posted by 32krazy!
did you disasemble your pump when it went bad? weres your documentation that states a pump will go bad from sitting? most of the pumps have winding failure, do the copper windings go bad from sitting?
talk about throwing speculation out there!
i agree buy what you want but ill pay for a proven decent pump over 1 that has a history of failure
talk about throwing speculation out there!
i agree buy what you want but ill pay for a proven decent pump over 1 that has a history of failure
You are throwing speculation out there stating the pump you like is best. Post up the statistics showing that otherwise it is just speculation lmao!
Where are your pie charts, parts lists of each pump and their falure rates for the past 10 years, graphs showing miles ran on each unit and surveys from at least 20,000 owners? Lets see them, I am so excited to see your data!
Last edited by mrphotoman; Dec 17, 2009 at 12:46 PM.
Originally Posted by 32krazy!
did you disasemble your pump when it went bad? weres your documentation that states a pump will go bad from sitting? most of the pumps have winding failure, do the copper windings go bad from sitting?
talk about throwing speculation out there!
i agree buy what you want but ill pay for a proven decent pump over 1 that has a history of failure
talk about throwing speculation out there!
i agree buy what you want but ill pay for a proven decent pump over 1 that has a history of failure
Pump3.jpg
https://www.crossfireforum.org/forum/283290-post18.html
https://www.crossfireforum.org/forum...re-thread.html
mine did the same thing
Does that look like brushes to you?
do a search.

Originally Posted by No1Piranha
It does make me wonder if the pump failures are primarily associated with the left-over cars that remained sitting for such long periods, as many have theorized. The pumps are water lubricated, and short of the pump running bone dry as might be the case after long inuse I don't know what could have done that. The pump isn't all that different from what's driving my hot-tub, and that has warnings all over it (and a safety shut-off circuit) to keep it from running dry.
Has anyone else dissected a failed pump?
Has anyone else dissected a failed pump?
there are members on here with over 100,000 miles on their stock pump because they drive their car.
there is a member with over 70,000 miles on his stock pump because he drives his car.
no thanks on the johnson pump that is shown to blow fuses.
no thanks on the one you are talking about that required several mods to get to work and who knows if it will cause electrical issues.
the $80 lightning pump is cheap, is the same as the stock pump and works great.
the high dollar pumps do not make your car faster, you can not see it to show off to your friends and brag so why spend the extra $ and risk blown fuses or worse?
Last edited by mrphotoman; Dec 17, 2009 at 01:06 PM.
I didn't document anything ,but my OEM pump failed ,and when I took it apart it was also broken in 2 pcs.
after reading all the other owners having the same problems over and over I just thought it was the nature of this type of pump on our cars ... I keep a extra one on the shelf
Howard
Howard
Same thing happened to my friends i/c pump, the impeller broke into pieces....lame. Well i gave him my stock pump and its been working great for the last 25k or so miles.
Its too bad that with the motor itself running fine you cant just buy another impeller...
Its too bad that with the motor itself running fine you cant just buy another impeller...
Originally Posted by mrphotoman
Well I guess this shoots your theory out the window. Here is just what 2 seconds of searching provided me, there were tons of threads.

https://www.crossfireforum.org/forum/283290-post18.html
https://www.crossfireforum.org/forum...re-thread.html
mine did the same thing
Does that look like brushes to you?
do a search.

waldigs cracked as well, so have many other members. there is lots of data on here showing that. if that impeller dries out from sitting around it will fail.
there are members on here with over 100,000 miles on their stock pump because they drive their car.
there is a member with over 70,000 miles on his stock pump because he drives his car.
no thanks on the johnson pump that is shown to blow fuses.
no thanks on the one you are talking about that required several mods to get to work and who knows if it will cause electrical issues.
the $80 lightning pump is cheap, is the same as the stock pump and works great.
the high dollar pumps do not make your car faster, you can not see it to show off to your friends and brag so why spend the extra $ and risk blown fuses or worse?

https://www.crossfireforum.org/forum/283290-post18.html
https://www.crossfireforum.org/forum...re-thread.html
mine did the same thing
Does that look like brushes to you?
do a search.

waldigs cracked as well, so have many other members. there is lots of data on here showing that. if that impeller dries out from sitting around it will fail.
there are members on here with over 100,000 miles on their stock pump because they drive their car.
there is a member with over 70,000 miles on his stock pump because he drives his car.
no thanks on the johnson pump that is shown to blow fuses.
no thanks on the one you are talking about that required several mods to get to work and who knows if it will cause electrical issues.
the $80 lightning pump is cheap, is the same as the stock pump and works great.
the high dollar pumps do not make your car faster, you can not see it to show off to your friends and brag so why spend the extra $ and risk blown fuses or worse?
impeller failure is but one issue of the bosch pump.
im not here to have a pissing contest with you. i know thats what you strive for in a lot of your posts.
the meziere pump has been used on countless m/b for quite a while now without any issues. if you choose to venture away from your single source forum you will find much info on the i/c pump issue dating back to early 2001.
Originally Posted by 32krazy!
it truley amazes me that you think this car was the first to have pump issues. the 32's were built 3 yrs before your car was even an idea and the pumps were failing.
impeller failure is but one issue of the bosch pump.
im not here to have a pissing contest with you. i know thats what you strive for in a lot of your posts.
the meziere pump has been used on countless m/b for quite a while now without any issues. if you choose to venture away from your single source forum you will find much info on the i/c pump issue dating back to early 2001.
impeller failure is but one issue of the bosch pump.
im not here to have a pissing contest with you. i know thats what you strive for in a lot of your posts.
the meziere pump has been used on countless m/b for quite a while now without any issues. if you choose to venture away from your single source forum you will find much info on the i/c pump issue dating back to early 2001.
Why are you being so irate about my choice of pump and the fact I provided data to back up why I prefer it? Where is yoru data? Why are you making all these acusations and assumptions of what I think? Please provide quotes.
First you said the copper coils are what fail then I proved that it was not, now you are changing your story lol!
Oh I am so sorry, I forgot you are a mercedes owner. Carry on then sir.
What other suggestions do you have for us while you slum on the site?
I was just trying to save some people from spending unneeded funds for something that works just as well for less effort but you have a mercedes so you know best.
The info I provided here along with photos showing that it is not the issues you claim it is and that you provided zero info to back up your claims with is just silly. You own a mercedes so you do not have to provide any data, your word is more valuable than that.
Last edited by mrphotoman; Dec 17, 2009 at 12:46 PM.
Originally Posted by mrphotoman
Oh I am so sorry, I forgot you are a mercedes owner. Carry on then sir.
What other suggestions do you have for us while you slum on the site?
I was just trying to save some people from spending unneeded funds for something that works just as well for less effort but you have a mercedes so you know best.
The info I provided here along with photos showing that it is not the issues you claim it is and that you provided zero info to back up your claims with is just silly. You own a mercedes so you do not have to provide any data, your word is more valuable than that.
What other suggestions do you have for us while you slum on the site?
I was just trying to save some people from spending unneeded funds for something that works just as well for less effort but you have a mercedes so you know best.
The info I provided here along with photos showing that it is not the issues you claim it is and that you provided zero info to back up your claims with is just silly. You own a mercedes so you do not have to provide any data, your word is more valuable than that.
you want life both ways. you want to brag to the world how you have a amg m/b powered car yet you still want to bash the benz owners.
i didnt come on here to start a war with you. if anyone has a "better than you" attitude its you. your condescending nature and rude comments not just here but on so many other threads give you little credit.
the info you provided proves exactly what i have been saying. the bosch is a pump that will fail. mechanical or electrical it will still fail.
having said my peace i will move on.
Originally Posted by 32krazy!
theres 3 members just on this thread with winding wear on the bosch pump. weres your data supporting that sitting ruins the pump? yes the impellers failed but how do you know it was from sitting?
you want life both ways. you want to brag to the world how you have a amg m/b powered car yet you still want to bash the benz owners.
i didnt come on here to start a war with you. if anyone has a "better than you" attitude its you. your condescending nature and rude comments not just here but on so many other threads give you little credit.
the info you provided proves exactly what i have been saying. the bosch is a pump that will fail. mechanical or electrical it will still fail.
having said my peace i will move on.
you want life both ways. you want to brag to the world how you have a amg m/b powered car yet you still want to bash the benz owners.
i didnt come on here to start a war with you. if anyone has a "better than you" attitude its you. your condescending nature and rude comments not just here but on so many other threads give you little credit.
the info you provided proves exactly what i have been saying. the bosch is a pump that will fail. mechanical or electrical it will still fail.
having said my peace i will move on.
Where did I brag to the world I have an amg m/b powered car, please provide quotes.
I am still waiting on your data on the other pump you have as well.
Last edited by mrphotoman; Dec 17, 2009 at 12:43 PM.
Originally Posted by mrphotoman
Where is your data to back that up? Photos too please. Maybe an excel graph as well.
I am still waiting on your data on the other pump you have as well.
I am still waiting on your data on the other pump you have as well.
hay,, no war here we have iraq, besides
My daddy can beat your daddy up. now let it go.. the more info we have the better it is for all of us
" a car is something to go from point to point,,,, to me the car is the point" JJ. that is why i have a amx or two or thirty a pt cruiser and a mustang, a camry and a crossfire. jim
My daddy can beat your daddy up. now let it go.. the more info we have the better it is for all of us
" a car is something to go from point to point,,,, to me the car is the point" JJ. that is why i have a amx or two or thirty a pt cruiser and a mustang, a camry and a crossfire. jim
Last edited by amx1397; Dec 17, 2009 at 12:43 PM.
All I have done in this thread is state what I prefer, why and some data to back it up with. What is wrong with that? I think I have provided some very helpful information in this thread unlike 32krazy has.
32krazy! became upset and made acusations and assumptions regarding what I think (he must be pshychic!) and made claims with zero data to back it up.
How have I done anything out of line in this thread?
I can go back through and quote some of my posts and 32krazy!'s posts to back up what I have said in this post if you like.
32krazy! became upset and made acusations and assumptions regarding what I think (he must be pshychic!) and made claims with zero data to back it up.
How have I done anything out of line in this thread?
I can go back through and quote some of my posts and 32krazy!'s posts to back up what I have said in this post if you like.
I went back and highlighted a few important areas in red. I replied to 32krazy! and answered his posts along with data. WHat is wrong with that? How is that out of line? Please provide your proof along with quotes.
Also, 32 why do you keep chainging your story and making assumptions and why are you irate at my replies that clearly answer your questions and provide photos/data. Where is your data, you have provided none other than becoming upset when I am able to provide the answers to your acusations lmao.
I guess I should just keep quiet and let people waste money, stay slow and hack up their wiring, blow fuses and all that fun stuff. Yeah that is the right thing to do
Go ahead and spend a fortune on mods that do not make you faster or your car perform any better if that is what you want to do. Listen to people that provide no data or proof to back up their claims and have fun!
Also, 32 why do you keep chainging your story and making assumptions and why are you irate at my replies that clearly answer your questions and provide photos/data. Where is your data, you have provided none other than becoming upset when I am able to provide the answers to your acusations lmao.
I guess I should just keep quiet and let people waste money, stay slow and hack up their wiring, blow fuses and all that fun stuff. Yeah that is the right thing to do
Go ahead and spend a fortune on mods that do not make you faster or your car perform any better if that is what you want to do. Listen to people that provide no data or proof to back up their claims and have fun!
Last edited by mrphotoman; Dec 17, 2009 at 01:21 PM.
I opened the thd and received so much info on our and other IC pumps now we understand a lot more as to why ,when, and which pump to go with some like the ford, some like the mb ,,, I would like the AMC/AMX one if it was ever made, thanks to all of you for your input and anyone that has more input go for it. we are learning more and more every day,,, think about it most people don't know the crossfire is a mercedes thanks to all not just on the pump issue but for all your info with it i could never reach the 11 second club. jim
I thought I was being nice in this thread lol
amx1397 it was nice talking with you a few weeks ago, you have done some amazing things in the past/present. I am jealous over some of the things you have been able to experience! Anytime I can help just let me know.
As for those that complain when I share info, I will just keep it to myself going forward unless someone that appreciates it wants to PM me. No charge or membership fees required
amx1397 it was nice talking with you a few weeks ago, you have done some amazing things in the past/present. I am jealous over some of the things you have been able to experience! Anytime I can help just let me know.
As for those that complain when I share info, I will just keep it to myself going forward unless someone that appreciates it wants to PM me. No charge or membership fees required




