Raced an SRT6 on the track today
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You're talking USED porsche at least 5years old to be at the same 40k price range .As for yours isn't a Ruf like over 80-90k ?
And SRTs have only 5sp autosticks not six speeds. Was his auto? .If not it wasn't an SRT.
And SRTs have only 5sp autosticks not six speeds. Was his auto? .If not it wasn't an SRT.
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I'm not familiar with the Porsche RUF Turbo. Is that similar to the Turbo Carrera?
In any case, are you saying that this Porsche Turbo, 532 h.p. is in the same price category as the SRT6? It's hardly fair to compare a car with 532 h.p. and 595ft. lbs torque with a vehicle rated much lower. I can't believe it is in the same price or anything else category.
If that is the case, maybe we should compare the SRT6 with the VW Jetta Diesel and see which one is tops!
I hate to seem synical about this but the comparison is hard to believe and similarly hard to believe that you'd assume that there would be a close race between the two.
In any case, are you saying that this Porsche Turbo, 532 h.p. is in the same price category as the SRT6? It's hardly fair to compare a car with 532 h.p. and 595ft. lbs torque with a vehicle rated much lower. I can't believe it is in the same price or anything else category.
If that is the case, maybe we should compare the SRT6 with the VW Jetta Diesel and see which one is tops!
I hate to seem synical about this but the comparison is hard to believe and similarly hard to believe that you'd assume that there would be a close race between the two.
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Sounds like WATWAZAT is a Porsche salesman.
I agree with him to a point, but how can you compare the RUF 532 HP to the SRT6 330 HP ? Why even discuss this ? So what, the Porsche kicks the SRT to the curb. I have a friend with a 15 year old Cosworth powered Formula Atlantic that he bought for 18k last year and I 'll take bets he'll smoke us all and make the RUF look like a horse drawn cart.
Perhaps we should compare apples to apples. Find me a different 3.2L supercharged 330hp vehicle so we can compare properly. The Crossfire is what it is and had alot of heads turning at Buttonwillow Raceway today when I was track testing.
It is underpowered, it is geared wrong for a road course and the OEM suspension felt like it was built for my 70 y/o mother. But I bought the car for what it is. I had a Porsche and felt like I was in a sea of "Ho-Hum everyone in Hollywood has a Porsche".
I agree with him to a point, but how can you compare the RUF 532 HP to the SRT6 330 HP ? Why even discuss this ? So what, the Porsche kicks the SRT to the curb. I have a friend with a 15 year old Cosworth powered Formula Atlantic that he bought for 18k last year and I 'll take bets he'll smoke us all and make the RUF look like a horse drawn cart.
Perhaps we should compare apples to apples. Find me a different 3.2L supercharged 330hp vehicle so we can compare properly. The Crossfire is what it is and had alot of heads turning at Buttonwillow Raceway today when I was track testing.
It is underpowered, it is geared wrong for a road course and the OEM suspension felt like it was built for my 70 y/o mother. But I bought the car for what it is. I had a Porsche and felt like I was in a sea of "Ho-Hum everyone in Hollywood has a Porsche".
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Oh I was wrong ,about a Ruf porsche turbo price R&D price feb 02 $216000.Ruf Gt porsche 12-00$135,000.And their test shalom times compared to the Stock Crossfires'69.6mph was turbo's 65.7mph and the RufGT (na)....911 2003 time 65.5mph boxster 03s time 68.6.
So it looks like this best handeling Porsche is the Boxster for the price comparison .$43k+ vs 45k SRTs.
Of course the new Boxster cpe will be closer in price.next year.
So it looks like this best handeling Porsche is the Boxster for the price comparison .$43k+ vs 45k SRTs.
Of course the new Boxster cpe will be closer in price.next year.
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Re: Raced an SRT6 on the track today
Originally Posted by watwazat
Please note we also ran the SRT6 against the standard 911 non-turbo model, don't get hung up on the RUF.
Sorry about getting hung up on the RUF but that's what you were comparing the SRT6 to in your original post.
I didn't know what a Porsche RUF was then but I do now, $216,000. Nice compare.
I don't even think it is a fair compare between the Porsche Carrera and the SRT6. Are you saying that these two cars are in the same price category?
I think your point is that you can go out there and buy a used 2-3 year old something and it can perform better than the new SRT6. Sure, that can apply to anything on the road.
There are some people that would like to buy a new car, like the ride and added performance of the Xfire and the track performance is not all that important. Give those people a break, please.
However, I do agree with you about the 6speed vs Autotran choice. The SRT6 should have come with a 6speed.
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The fact that some idiot is even trying to compare the performance of a RUF Porsche versus a Crossfire is a joke! Please, a $100K supercar should never be compared with a Crossfire. The one point I agree with is that the SRT-6 is a not worth almost 50K. Absolutely not when I can have a brand new Corvette with 400HP for less money. I'm still not sure what Chrysler was smoking with regards to the SRT6
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45k and all you guys are comparing is speed? There are a lot of other factors to consider other than how fast an SRT6 can go around a track. Especially when your comparing it against Porsches, which obviously are a whole another class.. 45k gets you the cheapest Porsche, or the most expensive Chrysler. They are totally different but the SRT6 will probably beat any Boxster, any day of the week. Plus most people aren't going to be racing on the track to begin with.
What about looks? For 45k I think you can get a car that looks as good as something that costs 200k. Plus it looks different than anything else on the road, even regular xfires, which are rare and different enough to begin with.
Granted this is just one example of a ton of factors that any prospective buyer must consider. I just don't think its right to say "Dont buy this car, because our Porsches outran it at the track". If you want a Porsche, your gonna get a Porsche. If you want a Crossfire, get a Crossfire or SRT6. Not everyone wants a used Porsche. Some people may want a new car thats pretty damn sweet IMO.
What about looks? For 45k I think you can get a car that looks as good as something that costs 200k. Plus it looks different than anything else on the road, even regular xfires, which are rare and different enough to begin with.
Granted this is just one example of a ton of factors that any prospective buyer must consider. I just don't think its right to say "Dont buy this car, because our Porsches outran it at the track". If you want a Porsche, your gonna get a Porsche. If you want a Crossfire, get a Crossfire or SRT6. Not everyone wants a used Porsche. Some people may want a new car thats pretty damn sweet IMO.
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Hey,Watwaszat, Your friend made a BIG mistake !The SRT wasn't a new engine or platform he should have known that a SLKamg is not a PORSCHE 911 or A Boxster, that even PORSCHE Owners don't really like but they buy them new because they're CHEAPER than a 911.
As for what the SRT-6 is a real nice low production speciality car that was not designed to sell to racecar guys for track use ! It probably won't even be made NEXT year 06. BUT
If I was to want a race car for going to the track i'd drive the Corvette new is 43k, or if you have deep pockets and you are married to a porsche mechanic buy a used porsche not an 99up though those are not real ones .Air,oil, COOLED only.
As for what the SRT-6 is a real nice low production speciality car that was not designed to sell to racecar guys for track use ! It probably won't even be made NEXT year 06. BUT
If I was to want a race car for going to the track i'd drive the Corvette new is 43k, or if you have deep pockets and you are married to a porsche mechanic buy a used porsche not an 99up though those are not real ones .Air,oil, COOLED only.
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Since the XF wasn't a new platform they were only using what they had already been using.DAH !
And NO repeat NO Benz has ever out performed on tracks a Porsche ! SO WHAT"S NEW ...besides your miss informed friend ! Thinking it was a TRACK Car.
And NO repeat NO Benz has ever out performed on tracks a Porsche ! SO WHAT"S NEW ...besides your miss informed friend ! Thinking it was a TRACK Car.
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Re: Raced an SRT6 on the track today
Originally Posted by watwazat
Dan,
We have taken many, many cars to the track to put them through their paces. NONE OF THEM were track cars, many were not even sports cars and with great respect my firend is NOT an idiot, but a mature and well respected member of the business community, who wanted to enjoy his Xfire on a nice sunny afternoon.
The track is a place to test and enjoy the abilities of ANY automobile, without the interference and limitations of our roads and freeways. You learn a lot about your car, it's abilities and it's weaknesses, unfortunately the Xfire has more than we thought and you don't need to go overly fast to find them. One example was braking. The Xfire had the longest stopping distance from 100mph to 0, than most vehicles we have tested and brake fade was significant after multiple stops, nice to know! Sonner or later you're gonna need those brakes to stop you short. There were several other examples of weakness in the 110-120MPH range such as lean and sway, very twitchy, not what we expected. A few months ago we tested an Audi TT and it was in many ways significantly better than the SRT6. Next week we will be testing the new Nissan 350Z, it too will offer an interesting comparison for the money.
Whether the Xfire CAN or CANNOT outperform another vehicle is secondary. Can it compete with cars in a "similar" price range, such as the Corvette, Porsche, etc. The answer appears to be maybe not! Therefore is it worth the money? For those who defend it so vigorously, maybe it is! For those who may consider other cars, maybe it isn't.
We have taken many, many cars to the track to put them through their paces. NONE OF THEM were track cars, many were not even sports cars and with great respect my firend is NOT an idiot, but a mature and well respected member of the business community, who wanted to enjoy his Xfire on a nice sunny afternoon.
The track is a place to test and enjoy the abilities of ANY automobile, without the interference and limitations of our roads and freeways. You learn a lot about your car, it's abilities and it's weaknesses, unfortunately the Xfire has more than we thought and you don't need to go overly fast to find them. One example was braking. The Xfire had the longest stopping distance from 100mph to 0, than most vehicles we have tested and brake fade was significant after multiple stops, nice to know! Sonner or later you're gonna need those brakes to stop you short. There were several other examples of weakness in the 110-120MPH range such as lean and sway, very twitchy, not what we expected. A few months ago we tested an Audi TT and it was in many ways significantly better than the SRT6. Next week we will be testing the new Nissan 350Z, it too will offer an interesting comparison for the money.
Whether the Xfire CAN or CANNOT outperform another vehicle is secondary. Can it compete with cars in a "similar" price range, such as the Corvette, Porsche, etc. The answer appears to be maybe not! Therefore is it worth the money? For those who defend it so vigorously, maybe it is! For those who may consider other cars, maybe it isn't.
As for is it worth $42-3,000,because that's what they're seeling for not MSRP. Well I'd buy one or lease one if it didn't have that wing ,and DC would not put the 3.5 V-6 in the XF.
But looking at prices on new Porsches base 68k but with add options was $82K+.And the new Corvette base is 43K and all are priced with options around 53K.And they're not dealing on either car YET.
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Originally Posted by watwazat
Your thought's and comments are not neccessarily those of the author and are a little "harsh" for a "gentlemanly" discussion
I am not sure about the SRT version but the vanilla versions are internally speed/rev. limited for some breakin period. Did your buddy put a couple k on the odometer before this test? While I don't expect it to be able to run with the really big dogs I did expect it to give a fair account of itself in regards to accelleration.
I was also surprised by the comments on the brakes. Every review that I have seen may use words like vague and numb in describing the brakes but the numbers posted are always good. And I have never heard any talk of fading. In fact the reviews say the opposite. Before I would believe that there is a fading problem with all of them I would think that perhaps this is a problem unique to this one.
While my skill level is probably not on a par with yours, and my ride does not operate at the speeds that your does, my track day proved to be fun. I thought it was sure footed and well mannered and the brakes never failed to serve.
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Re: Raced an SRT6 on the track today
With that said, how does it perform to cars in it's price class, like the BMW M3 & Z4, Audi S4, Corvette, Lotus Elise and Porsche Boxter (I'm sure I missed a few)?
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Originally Posted by watwazat
Decided to edit the post as the initial point of the discussion was being missed.
For those of you who are considering the SRT6, compare carefully and ask this question...
Is it a lot of car for the money...or a lot of money for the car?
Many folks here agree that the Porsche (as an example) is a superior automobile and should not be compared to the SRT6, however when you're getting close to $50K, the comparison becomes a real proposition.
My buddy just traded his SRT6 for a $51,000.00 6-Speed 911 with 4,700 Miles. At a comparable price range, you be the judge!
Happy Motoring!
For those of you who are considering the SRT6, compare carefully and ask this question...
Is it a lot of car for the money...or a lot of money for the car?
Many folks here agree that the Porsche (as an example) is a superior automobile and should not be compared to the SRT6, however when you're getting close to $50K, the comparison becomes a real proposition.
My buddy just traded his SRT6 for a $51,000.00 6-Speed 911 with 4,700 Miles. At a comparable price range, you be the judge!
Happy Motoring!
I can't believe this. The fact that you saw a need to edit (scratch) the original post appears to me that you agree that the comparison was indeed ridiculous. In a previous reply to 2004Xfire, you mentioned that your original post compared the SRT6 with a Porsche 911 non-turbo. I don't seem to recall reading that in your original post. I guess I was suppose to read between the lines.
We will never know because your original post is gone!
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