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Electromagnetic clutch out on SC

Old Apr 8, 2015 | 02:41 PM
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So this is out and needs to be replaced. I took it to dodge and they diagnosed it. If i dont get it repaired can it cause other damage?


Its around $1700 there to do it. I assume with the motor at a lower compression running without the supercharger could be dangerous.
 
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Old Apr 8, 2015 | 03:17 PM
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You sure it's the clutch? As far as the motor running without the SC, it's basically what happens when your IC pump goes out. If the IC pump hasn't been replaced, I would start there. You can get the updated 010 BOSCH IC pump from fcpeuro.com for around $115 with a warranty. The clutch failing means a new SC....and that will be way more than $1,700 at a dealership. More like $4,000 for the SC alone. I know, just had one replaced last year under warranty.
 
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Old Apr 8, 2015 | 03:21 PM
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You sure it's the clutch? As far as the motor running without the SC, it's basically what happens when your IC pump goes out. If the IC pump hasn't been replaced, I would start there. You can get the updated 010 BOSCH IC pump from fcpeuro.com for around $115 with a warranty. The clutch failing means a new SC....and that will be way more than $1,700 at a dealership. More like $4,000 for the SC alone. I know, just had one replaced last year under warranty.
The dealership ran all diagnostics and said it was just the clutch pack that is gong out. They said the pump is fine. I have the parts quote sheet and eveything.
 
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Old Apr 8, 2015 | 04:08 PM
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They didn't build these cars, so I don't trust any dealer tech that didn't come from MB. Does the SC kick in at all or does it go out intermittently?
 
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Old Apr 8, 2015 | 04:10 PM
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They didn't build these cars, so I don't trust any dealer tech that didn't come from MB. Does the SC kick in at all or does it go out intermittently?
It goes out intermitenly. Sometimes ill hit the gas and no power...others and its go time!
 
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Old Apr 8, 2015 | 04:12 PM
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It's your IC pump. Save your money, buy one from fcpeuro and replace it yourself in under an hour. Then it's always go time.
 
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Old Apr 8, 2015 | 04:14 PM
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You're lucky, they dropped the price back down to $106. Buy this and solve your problems.....https://www.fcpeuro.com/products/mer...ump-0392022010
 
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Old Apr 8, 2015 | 10:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Shelbygto2
So this is out and needs to be replaced. I took it to dodge and they diagnosed it. If i dont get it repaired can it cause other damage?


Its around $1700 there to do it. I assume with the motor at a lower compression running without the supercharger could be dangerous.
Are you sure it is the electromagnet and not just the pulley with the clutch plate coming loose on it?
I can see them charging $1,700 for that pulley. The pulley can be purchased used for less than $300 and put on easily. I cannot remember any magnet failing on the SC ever on this forum.
The magnet part of the SC can maybe be purchased from the SC maker if not from Mercedes or Chrysler. If you went to the right people it probably could be rewound, it isn't rocket science.
I would get exactly what it is they are changing and get it written down before committing yourself to anything.
 
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Old Apr 8, 2015 | 11:20 PM
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Are you sure it is the electromagnet and not just the pulley with the clutch plate coming loose on it?
I can see them charging $1,700 for that pulley. The pulley can be purchased used for less than $300 and put on easily. I cannot remember any magnet failing on the SC ever on this forum.
The magnet part of the SC can maybe be purchased from the SC maker if not from Mercedes or Chrysler. If you went to the right people it probably could be rewound, it isn't rocket science.
I would get exactly what it is they are changing and get it written down before committing yourself to anything.
Thankfully I have an extended warrenty and they are covering all charges minus $100. So they are replacing that and the harmonic balancer. I am going to make sure they know that when they fix this and the problem is still there I am not paying another $100 deduct. Lol.
 
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Old Apr 9, 2015 | 11:28 AM
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By harmonic balancer I assume you are talking crank pulley....you should consider moving up to a 178/181/185mm pulley if they are paying...;>)
 
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Old Apr 9, 2015 | 06:28 PM
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WOW! another failed diagnosis by Chrysler. Go figure. My original crank pulley isn't quite right either, I have a new one, and will get around to putting it on now that the weather is cooperating. I agree with the others, it is the pump. The intake air temperature sensor detects the pump no working due to heat build up and shuts down the supercharger. Tell the tech that. That way he can check the "sensor" to make sure it is working. The sensor has on rare occasions gone bad which will cause the same symptoms. So, IAT sensor, the pump, and the pulley all need to be looked at. Good luck....
 
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Old Apr 9, 2015 | 07:11 PM
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remove the serpentine belt and use a jumper and a battery to jump the electromagnetic clutch. if it moves its one. if not its toast.
 
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Old Apr 9, 2015 | 07:55 PM
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Originally Posted by 32krazy!
remove the serpentine belt and use a jumper and a battery to jump the electromagnetic clutch. if it moves its one. if not its toast.
There would be no need to disconnect the belt as there no need to start the engine. The pulley clutch plate would be attracted by the magnetic coils to the SC drive plate, if not the stationary electromagnet coils inside the black drive plate or the wires to it are shot.
 
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Old Apr 9, 2015 | 08:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Shelbygto2
So this is out and needs to be replaced. I took it to dodge and they diagnosed it. If i dont get it repaired can it cause other damage?
Its around $1700 there to do it. I assume with the motor at a lower compression running without the supercharger could be dangerous.
Originally Posted by Shelbygto2
Thankfully I have an extended warrenty and they are covering all charges minus $100. So they are replacing that and the harmonic balancer. I am going to make sure they know that when they fix this and the problem is still there I am not paying another $100 deduct. Lol.
Sorry but I'm confused here . . . You "took it to DODGE and they diagnosed it". There isn't a Dodge dealer anywhere in the country who could diagnose anything on a Crossfire SRT6. Then you say it will cost $1700.00 to fix it but later tell us you have an extended warranty (sp) and they are covering all charges minus $100.00.

AND now they are replacing the "harmonic balancer" (the crank pulley) too. What exactly are you here asking for advice about? If you're comfortable taking your car to a Dodge dealer and you have an extended warranty, I guess you should just let them start throwing expensive parts at the problems until they happen to fix the problems (or not as the case may be).

Good luck and let us know how everything turns out . . .
 

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Old Apr 9, 2015 | 10:34 PM
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Originally Posted by 32krazy!
remove the serpentine belt and use a jumper and a battery to jump the electromagnetic clutch. if it moves its one. if not its toast.

agree with Steve - at least one simple test...
 
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Old Apr 10, 2015 | 08:44 AM
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Originally Posted by Billy22Bob
agree with Steve - at least one simple test...
I do too, but why remove the belt? The belt stops nothing from working, this test does not need the engine running or a I missing something, I think not.
 
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Old Apr 10, 2015 | 06:01 PM
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he isn't going to work on it anyway...belt or no belt...
 
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Old Apr 10, 2015 | 06:47 PM
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Originally Posted by oledoc2u
he isn't going to work on it anyway...belt or no belt...
I was commenting on the test proposed by 32K, not to the OP.
 
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Old Apr 10, 2015 | 09:38 PM
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Oh geez...just buy a couple of Bosch 10 pumps. I always have a new one or more on hand. First one went out around 1k, the second 10k later (black one, replaced the graphite just because). Just got my replenishment order from AutohausAZ. Also, got a couple of upgraded serpentine belts from Rock Auto (I replaced the belt at the same time I replaced the second Bosch 10). Both these vendors are great and reasonable. Even if you don't like to work on your 6, the pump replacement is easy and you get to know your car a little better. I'm so glad my first car was a rode hard and put away wet '65 Impala SS. That car taught me so much. I bought it as a sophomore in HS (it's all I could afford) and wrenched on it constantly just to keep it on the road. The lessons I learned on it saved me tens of thousands of dollars plus over my lifetime.
 
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Old Apr 15, 2015 | 03:39 PM
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When my I/C pump went I printed out a couple threads about symptoms from this forum and took it to my Chrysler dealer (I bought my roadster from them). It took them two road tests, the second having to be much longer to cause the I/C pump failure, but then they cheerfully replaced the I/C pump under warranty. I have not had a problem with it since 2008.


I would not trust a Dodge dealer with your SRT6 even though I realize they own the SRT brand now. They just won't know jack-$hit about Mercedes-Benz AMG engines. Trust the forum, grasshopper.
 
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