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Old Dec 1, 2012 | 12:49 PM
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Yes Mrmiata I see they use the same injectors, all the calculators I found on the web are for horsepower and injector size.
That indicates these injectors will be too small.
I always thought Kleeman used a piggyback system before I read this. The info I got about SRT injectors shows 45.8 Lbs or 482 cc/min at 3 Bar / 43.5 PSI industry standard. Our fuel pressure is 3.7 to 4.2 Bar ( 54 to 61 PSI). That should be enough to run these injectors, but without a fuel management system of some kind I don't know what would stop it from running too rich before hitting boost and at what point I would be running lean.
Also on the schematics show (on Page 30 and elsewhere) on the oil filler tube there is a brass fitting with a hose and no reference to what it does or is for.
Any ideas what it is for?..... anybody
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Appreciate your input on beer-flow ratio, it's been 20 years or so since I drank ,think 20 years, was drunk when I quit and can't quite remember when. So based on your info, and so he does not have to put down his tools while working , I am thinking I.V. and Catheter system. Haven't shared this with fabricator yet. Only problem is holding him down during installation process.
 
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Old Dec 1, 2012 | 02:08 PM
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I spent a lot of time looking into this before Corky got involved. If you do the right search you can find the Kleeman install manual, How they did the fuel and MAF is pretty simple. Brandon at Kleeman swears the same set up would work for a turbo.

I could not personally find any place for the turbo other than the cavity where the SRT resonator fits. There is not enough room for an isolated oil system and tank. I looked at the STS universal system and decided I could do better on my own and up with better components for less. There is good site you can see a whole rear mount turbo build which will teach you quite a bite. Search for rear mount junk yard turbo.

Oil lines will run up the drivers side and the charge pipe up under the passenger side. If you run an intercooler, look for one with the inlet and exit on the same side. From there go up and enter the engine compartment where the stock intake tube is. You don't have to run very big tubbing. I think the right size between 2 and 2.5" You can get oval tubing for under the car. As soon as you enter the engine compartment I would increase the tubing or modify a Needswings single intake. I would run boost of 5-8lbs. A nice BB turbo would reduce lag a bit, not that I think lag would be much of an issue. I think the Kleeman fueling systen is worth a shot and not expensive at all, but if you want to tune it all in the ECU, The Dyno-Comp's Ken Rudy can do it. Ken is the genious there who came from Renntech.

Well that was my plan... I now have another project in mind if someone will buy my car. If you want to go crazy insane fast, buy my car for a song and turbo it.
 
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Old Dec 1, 2012 | 02:50 PM
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Yes I have abandoned the self-contained oil system for now. The oil heats up and foams, then needs time to settle, that would mean too big of a tank.
I looked at the Needswings cold air intake and thought it would be perfect. A month ago I asked if anyone had one for sale,cheap. I'll have my fabricator reproduce something similar. I agree on the oval shaped pipe and size. I am thinking of running the charge pipe from the intercooler in front of the radiator on the drivers side to the passengers side, then in through the inlet.
 
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Old Dec 1, 2012 | 02:59 PM
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Yes I have abandoned the self-contained oil system for now. The oil heats up and foams, then needs time to settle, that would mean too big of a tank.
I looked at the Needswings cold air intake and thought it would be perfect. A month ago I asked if anyone had one for sale,cheap. I'll have my fabricator reproduce something similar. I agree on the oval shaped pipe and size. I am thinking of running the charge pipe from the intercooler in front of the radiator on the drivers side to the passengers side, then in through the inlet.
Having the charge pipe on drivers side would make the intercooler easier, but you have to deal with the steering gear and also have room for the oil line and oil return line. That would be nice if doable. Good luck with the project, I know it will work.
 
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Old Dec 3, 2012 | 05:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Mrmiata
Interesting read! Uses stock injectors and pump with a new pressure regulator.. I 3/4 scanned through.. but noticed nothing about reprogramming for fuel maps..correct?
If I'm reading this right.. they are ramping up the fuel pressure to compensate for the boost?
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Everything I have read is different than these instructions. It is interesting the way they have done it. ChuckNorris says he also has instructions that are a little different. It would be interesting to read them as well. Would you mind looking at page 30 and tell me what you think the little brass fitting and hose that goes into the oil filler might be for. I was thinking this might be a good place for my return oil line from the turbo. What do you think?
My car is visiting the fabricator this weekend for some measuring.
 
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Old Dec 3, 2012 | 05:51 PM
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stock SRT6 injectors and fuel pump ran out of fuel for me at around 400whp. That was with a rising rate fuel pressure regulator. If you want, I can make you a deal on some 650cc injectors but they are shorter than stock. My new setup calls for 1000cc injectors.
 
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Old Dec 3, 2012 | 07:44 PM
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Everything I have read is different than these instructions. It is interesting the way they have done it. ChuckNorris says he also has instructions that are a little different. It would be interesting to read them as well. Would you mind looking at page 30 and tell me what you think the little brass fitting and hose that goes into the oil filler might be for. I was thinking this might be a good place for my return oil line from the turbo. What do you think?
My car is visiting the fabricator this weekend for some measuring.
Well it's dark when I get home.. so tomorrow at lunch I'll pull the cover and see where it runs to. Couldn't find anything in the service manual.

Are you thinking of tapping into the oil pan for supply.. ? Just wondering about longgevity of the system with "unfiltered" oil..unless you incorporated some type of mini filter system.. Just some thoughts.. Oh.. sportsters do have a nice chrome spin on filter! LOL.

Might be worth checking into.. http://www.torquecars.com/forums/
 

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Old Dec 3, 2012 | 08:23 PM
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I saw it in the Kleemans installation manual. It shows up on Page 30 only, it just seems to appear and that has me curious. I'm thinking it's a good place to dump my oil. I hope to get my oil feed line from just below the oil filter. There is a bolt there for pressure testing oil.
Don't go pulling anything off, it's just in the Kleemans manual Pg.30
 
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Old Dec 3, 2012 | 08:29 PM
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I saw where you were referencing.. just couldn't find anything in the service manual ..
 
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Old Dec 4, 2012 | 12:42 AM
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I saw where you were referencing.. just couldn't find anything in the service manual ..
Found it !! Thanks for the help looking, it is a breather from the compressor motor.
 
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Old Dec 4, 2012 | 12:47 AM
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Yes I have abandoned the self-contained oil system for now. The oil heats up and foams, then needs time to settle, that would mean too big of a tank.
I looked at the Needswings cold air intake and thought it would be perfect. A month ago I asked if anyone had one for sale,cheap. I'll have my fabricator reproduce something similar. I agree on the oval shaped pipe and size. I am thinking of running the charge pipe from the intercooler in front of the radiator on the drivers side to the passengers side, then in through the inlet.
I agree with Bob's concerns, why not run this guy?

Top to Bottom Intercooler
 
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Old Dec 4, 2012 | 02:31 PM
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I agree with Bob's concerns, why not run this guy?

Top to Bottom Intercooler
That intercooler is almost identical to the one I ran on my turbo swap except mine was 3 inches thick and just barely fit between the bumper and condenser.
 
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Old Dec 4, 2012 | 02:39 PM
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That intercooler is almost identical to the one I ran on my turbo swap except mine was 3 inches thick and just barely fit between the bumper and condenser.
Yeah I think the one I linked was 3.5"... So, one would probably need to trim/notch the bumper support.
 
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Old Dec 4, 2012 | 06:52 PM
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Yes I like the look of that inter-cooler. The car if off to the fabricators for a sleepover and a whole bunch of measuring. Then I'll have a better idea where we are heading.
The tough thing is I'm not going to be there.
I really appreciate all the input and you have given me lots to consider. The project will be better because of everybody's input.
 
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Old Dec 4, 2012 | 07:01 PM
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We know you'll contribute back with a complete DIY instructions and prints for plumbing..

Probably be cheaper to donate $200 for "effort " and follow this .. LOL.
 
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Old Dec 4, 2012 | 08:56 PM
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I just gotta say, thanks in advance for any info you are willing to feed us through your progress!
I bet you are finished before another certain builder.......
 
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Old Dec 6, 2012 | 12:11 PM
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The intercooler above is exactly what I was thinking about. Another guy you may want to contact is Max Hughes. He has developed complete pats list to turbo a 112 or 113 Mercedes engine. He has also succesfully turbo'd these engines. He has been on this forum an the MB forums. I have his email address if anyone needs it.
 
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Old Dec 7, 2012 | 12:20 AM
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Originally Posted by LantanaTX
The intercooler above is exactly what I was thinking about. Another guy you may want to contact is Max Hughes. He has developed complete pats list to turbo a 112 or 113 Mercedes engine. He has also succesfully turbo'd these engines. He has been on this forum an the MB forums. I have his email address if anyone needs it.
Yes I would very much like to have his E-Mail address. Hope he does not mind me contacting him. Thanks for the tip
 
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Old Dec 7, 2012 | 03:37 AM
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i wonder if hes done it why he hasnt beena bit more outspoken? he couldmade a few quick bucks that way!
 
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Old Dec 7, 2012 | 06:47 AM
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Here's where Max Hughes turbo'd a 3.2L I6 :
http://www.autopia.org/forum/body-sh...lots-pics.html
 
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