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No start, no crank...no ideas!

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Old 11-27-2017, 07:31 AM
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Hey everyone. Just joined after buying a 04 cf coupe. Bought it non running. Prev owner said it would start intermittently. Other times would not crank. He said if wing went up then back down it would start. It is in the "up" postion and hasnt moved thus far. So far car has not cranked over for me. So far i have sodered rcm, tested batt, cleaned bat ground connect. Disconnected batt, held cables together for 10 secs, checked all fuses.
one odd thing, all dsh lights come on as should but even when key is in run pos it wont allow me to shift oit of park. And wing button light flashes.
so everyone im ready to rely on your kindness. Any ideas where to next?
 
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Old 11-27-2017, 08:04 AM
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I assume you have checked all the RCM fuses.
Pull the RCM out leaving the 5 harness wires connected and remove the cover.
Turn the key on.
Make sure the engine and fuel relay are being energized.
Meter the contacts on the engine and fuel relays to see if the 12v is being passed through the contacts :
 

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Old 11-27-2017, 10:27 AM
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Traction control relay should be engaged also.
"Would not crank" points to the RCM.
Wing staying up points to the RCM.
Appears you have a couple of bad relays. I can replace them for $30 or you can buy a new RCM for about $150.
Email me tighed1@hotmail.com for info on the repair.

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Cowboyzion...you may be wondering who this tighed1 is since you're new to the forum.
DJ is the unquestioned guru of the RCM with us. Trust him completely to fix yours.
 
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Originally Posted by tighed1
Traction control relay should be engaged also.
"Would not crank" points to the RCM.
Wing staying up points to the RCM.
Appears you have a couple of bad relays. I can replace them for $30 or you can buy a new RCM for about $150.
Email me tighed1@hotmail.com for info on the repair.

dj
What he said 👍 he's reliable.
 
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Old 11-27-2017, 06:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Cowboyzion
Hey everyone. Just joined after buying a 04 cf coupe. Bought it non running. Prev owner said it would start intermittently. Other times would not crank. He said if wing went up then back down it would start. It is in the "up" postion and hasnt moved thus far. So far car has not cranked over for me. So far i have sodered rcm, tested batt, cleaned bat ground connect. Disconnected batt, held cables together for 10 secs, checked all fuses.
one odd thing, all dsh lights come on as should but even when key is in run pos it wont allow me to shift oit of park. And wing button light flashes.
so everyone im ready to rely on your kindness. Any ideas where to next?
Turn key to on position and step on brake to take it out of park..
 
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Old 11-27-2017, 07:23 PM
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[QUOTE=tighed1;897932]Traction control relay should be engaged also.
"Would not crank" points to the RCM.
Wing staying up points to the RCM.
Appears you have a couple of bad relays. I can replace them for $30 or you can buy a new RCM for about $150.
Email me tighed1@hotmail.com for info on the repair.

dj[/QUOTE
SO HAPPY. everyone in this forum seems to be very confident in your expertise. I will be mailing u my rcm first thing tommoro. Thank you all so much!!! For all your help. Looking forward to remaining part of such a great group.
 
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Old 11-28-2017, 12:09 AM
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Welcome to the family and thanks guy's!
 
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Welcome to the family and thanks guy's!
well my rcm is in the mail on its way to the trusty hands of tighed1. SUPER EXCITED to have this mystery solved and finally get to drive this thing!! Fingers crossed everyone!
 
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Old 11-30-2017, 07:23 PM
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No need to cross your fingers, we've seen it all so many times before.............
 
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No need to cross your fingers, we've seen it all so many times before.............
awsome! Very comforting. Thank you all so much for your help.
 
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Old 12-11-2017, 04:37 PM
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Ok update. Got rcm back today. Installed fired right up. Let it sit for a min and it died now will crank but not start. UHHHHGGGGG!!!!
 
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Old 12-11-2017, 04:39 PM
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[QUOTE=tighed1;897959]Welcome to the family and thanks guy's!
got rcm back today. Started right up. Then died and now it will not start. However it cranks over. Any ideas sir?
thank u.
 
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Old 12-11-2017, 09:10 PM
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Does the tach wiggle ? First thought for "cranks but does not run" is a fuel pump that died (can check the rail pressure, should have at least 40 psi when you turn the key on (or can pull the cover, pour a 1/2 oz of gas in the intake, put the cover back on and see if fires even briefly. If not the next suspect is the CPS.
 
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Does the tach wiggle ? First thought for "cranks but does not run" is a fuel pump that died (can check the rail pressure, should have at least 40 psi when you turn the key on (or can pull the cover, pour a 1/2 oz of gas in the intake, put the cover back on and see if fires even briefly. If not the next suspect is the CPS.
i sprayed starting fluid in it and it ran for a momment.
 
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Well there you are. You have fire. Now turn the key on and within a few seconds depress the Schrader on the fuel rail. Do you get a squirt of gas ? If not then (am assuming from what you said earlier, the RCM has been gone through):
1) fuel pump
2) fuel filter
3) fuel line.
4) fuel pump relay & wiring
 
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The fuel pump relay in the rcm has been replaced is there another one my chance?
 
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Old 12-11-2017, 11:24 PM
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Not that I know of but did it squirt ? If it did then need to check the injector fuse.
 
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Not that I know of but did it squirt ? If it did then need to check the injector fuse.
ok i will do that tommoro.
 

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