Not sure if anyone here wants to sign up to have Edelbrock test fit parts on your car, but it could be a step in getting more aftermarket support from an American parts company, something we need, 'cause we all know the Euro tuner companies just want to empty your wallets. Here's the link: http://www.edelbrock.com/automotive_...s_needed.shtml

I don't see any XF's on their list but who knows, you might have to write to the R&D guys, which I'm sure they wouldn't mind taking a few measurement and what not.. here's the application form http://www.edelbrock.com/automotive_...eeded/form.php

If anyone here is serious, I will talk with one of the R&D guys that I know over there. I would offer up my car but it's my daily driver and 3-5 days for Edelbrock to hold the car is too long for me.

 

Go right ahead and offer-up my car for testing... pendent upon they provide any product they develop to me free of charge... I'm in CA... I'll wait for your response...

 

Please correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't the first link you provided us with say that Edelbrock would provide a loaner car to use? If that's the case, you should jump on that opportunity!

 

I missed the part about them providing a loaner car, but anyways when I see the guy or any of his buddies I'll talk to them about your car HDDP! I hope we can get some interest sparked with Edelbrock, that would be great! Otherwise I know another tech guy at K&N. and I hear they're getting into other aspects of automotive aftermarket parts besides air filters, we'll see what happens.

 

There's much more to this than just the throttle body... It gets really thick into computer control and a bunch of other programming that requires some serious systems integration, which I do not know of anyone who has the programming software. I wish it was that easy... But if you want to offer up my car for cannon fodder and can guarantee that it will either come back to me in working order, or, I get their product for free, They can sponsor my car...

 

Yes there definitely is a lot of computer software involved in our cars, which is why I'd rather deal with Edelbrock. Since I know they have lot's of resources and funds, and maybe some inside connections too.

I'm not sure they would be serious enough to start testing throttle bodies, maybe in the far future. But Edelbrock would probably start with stuff, like brake lines, shocks, cat back exhaust, and then maybe if there is enough interest in crossfire parts; headers, t-body, hopefully cams, but don't hold your breath, lol...

I'll let you know what I can find out, gimme like a week or so...

 

Brake lines are easy "GOODRIDGE" they already make them for the car... I've had them on my car for two years now... Shocks / Dampers can be had from KONI, PENSKE, K&H and (SOME OTHER COMPANY I CAN'T RECALL AFTER SIX BEERS). Headers are still a problem (THEY ARE GOING TO BE CUSTOM MADE AS SOON AS I AVE A FEW EXTRA BUCKS) Throttle body won't make a crap of difference until we have ECU manipulation to adjust the FAM. Cams can be bought from Schrick & Carlsson (AGAIN A WASTE OF $ UNTIL WE HAVE ECU ADJUSTMENTS) Cat-Backs are a nice sound additive to make you think your car is developing more HP.

PS: you forgot the springs, sway bars, poly bushings, fuel rails, injectors, brake pads, spec. brake fluid, tires and a host of other things.

Isn't this fun ?

 

Yeah you're right, If you can figure out the ECU, than you'll probably be able to tune your car better than Edlebrock. Oh well...

 

Actually, if you can't manipulate the computer everything else is a waste of time... because if I put new Schrick cams in the car and it requires advanced timing to exercise the 7% HP increase...

You get the picture !

I'm on the ragged edge right now with the car... Until I find a tuner that actually can manipulate the computer, it's a waste of time and money... I haven't found one yet... So if you have some suggestions, I would appreciate them...

 

I look forward to woody's ECU, I hope he can make some decent power with it, and having fully functionable tuning software.
I need to check out the megasquirt system, what are it's limitations?

 

Hey
Food for thought on the timing. If you advance the base point of reference
the ECU can't/won't figure it out. On the Magnum motor we move the crank sensor slightly in the bell housing to advance ign timing. On the 6.1 Hemi we index the tone wheel to advance timing. SO, how does the 3.2 track crank position, and can you tweak that. AND does this motor have knock sensors??, if so a simple led light to show retard will help to safely nudge up to the line on advance.
DB
lurkin and learnin.

 

All very good questions that need answers...

 

I'm looking forward to Woody's potential of adjusting the FAM. These engines are set-up to run at the optimum "LEAN" fuel air mixture which seems to be about 14.5:1 which is great for the ozone layer, but lousy for the race track and the longevity of the pistons. I'm surprised I haven't cooked my motor yet...

If Woody's MS system will allow the adjustment of the FAM to 13:1 or even 12.5:1 this engine should develop at least 10% more HP without any other mods., providing you can trick the 02 sensors into maintaining the richer mixture.

Woody hurry up !!! LOL

 

I'm assuming FAM is fuel air management? I always thought running an engine leaner makes more hp than tuning for rich side.

 

Looks like I am going to reference the MB boys again.

Not sure about the NA guys but the SLK32, C32, and E55 guys seem to have good luck with cams without the ECU being reprogrammed for them. Granted everyone that is running cams seems to be running an updated ECU but it is the program that comes with the stage 1 package (ECU & Pulley).

I am sure they could get better results with additional programming but they are seeing decent results from just dropping in the cams.

The E55 guys are the ones running larger TB's and again seem to have good results without reprogramming.

 

Terrific. So that pertains to what aspect of the NA Crossfire ? So, who did the cams, who did the updated ECU ? Dude your posts leave alot to be desired !!! Why are you discussing the MB E55 ? And why do you just say "these guys are doing this" ... without providing information on who, what where !!!

 

I could really give a **** about NA not interested in a slow car. My feeling is start at or near the top of the model line and go from there.

Why mention an E55? Because it has a lot in common with the SRT6 engine. Do you really want me to mention names of people that have installed the parts? Not sure what good that will do but I can if you insist.

Why bring up other cars? When you make statements that an upgraded TB will not provide gains without reprogramming the ECU I figured I would point out that plenty of people have the types of parts you are discussing installed and seeing good gains. Not completely apples to apples as one car actually puts out some HP but you get the idea.

 

I'm going as fast as I can. A big push this weekend since its a bank holiday, so I've three days off work.

 

Hey HDDP!

Email me off list, I have a possibility on the header situation. I want to talk it over with you and get your take on what would work best etc... From what I can see under $1,500 a set is easily doable... and that's coated! I'll explain more in the email...

mopardanno@yahoo.com

Danno

 

Terrific, then perhaps you should limit your posts to the SRT6 section of the forum so you don't have to muddle your brain with non-pertinent information regarding the "NA SLOW CAR".