Ok i have been thinking about getting all tvt parts made for the crossfire, i think its the tvt 300 or something. I am trying to see how a full TVT crossfire would do compared to the srt6. I could sell it and buy an srt but I dont like the automatic transmission or the spoiler. So how would a 6 speed TVT compare to the srt6??

 

It will be an improvement over stock...you have a higher gear in the rear end, so that is a slight advantage over the SRT, especially in the twisties...and I won't get into the argument which is faster...but you will see that spoiler you don't like....

 

srt will still walk away. Know your place and respect the big brother

 

I wonder by how much though? I've also been wondering the both competing against each other.

 

Never happen. Sorry.

roadster with a stick

 

I mean i know the srt is still faster i'm just thinking about by how much, and is the difference enough to give up the fun of the 6 speed and have an ugly spoiler??

 

Nope.

Look, I have a 6 spd. I have taken the NA engine about as far as it can go without going to forced induction. Or spending thousands for headers and hardware for a few more HP's. I dyno 192.5HP at the wheel.
Cathy's SRT dyno's at 300HP at the wheel right now. A quantum difference on the highway.

When I am in the NA and want to pass, I downshift to 4th and within a few seconds I am accelerating around the big truck.
With Cathy's SRT one simply has to think about it and....it's done. There simply is no comparison.

Now as OleDoc2U suggested, the manual tranny with some added power to the NA is a fair match to the SRT "in the twisties". But as soon as the road is straight for more than a quarter mile, they are gone man. You simply can't stay with them.

If you have been to the Dragon, there are 11 miles from the lake to Deals Gap, 318 turns and curves that never stop. You can hang on an SRT the whole way. He never gets to use his power. But, after Deals Gap is the Hellbender. Plenty of tight turns with some long straights. Six miles later, Ole Doc will be sittin' on his hood, halfway thru a cigar, waiting for you at the lodge.

My advice, Get the TVT 300 tune package. You will have the engine power the car should have had from the factory. You will absolutely love the performance. The improvement will have you saying that your car is "on fire" and your new Crossfire will have you in love all over again.

It's not better than sex . But damm, damm close.

If you want better than sex, get the SRT.

roadster with a stick

 

ha, see the problem with getting a srt6 is the price. I went to carmax just to see what I could get for it, they offered $11,000. The cheapest srt I can find is $15,000. I have never driven the srt6 but have found one in Memphis which is about a 2 and a half hour drive. We may go up there this weekend and take a look at it. I am young, and the closest thing I have driven to the srt6 in performance is the BMW 135i, which was very fast, but being young I dont know if that much power is really what I need, and I really hate the spoiler on the srt6, I just want to be able to keep up with my friends in 2010 camaros(not the ss). So i'm thinking with the tvt i'll be able to beat the camaro, and hopefully 350z's.

 

The TVT 300 should let you stomp the 350Z's Thestock 2010 Comaro is a pickup truck. Youshoulod runewith them and winif you are good.
The NA with a goodtune and a good driver can put a Mustang GT down unless they have played with the marbles.

The stick is a big help but you should have the RPM limiter moved up in gears one, two, and three to 6300. That, and a sprint booster will give you an edge.
First gear will let you go to 38 MPH, and second will run close to 70 MPH. Third will do 90.

A stock drop in chip won't do that. TVT will have to custom tune or you can use Eurocharged.
As for the SRT prices, They are a bargain for a little whileyet. Ihave seen some in the $13K's and $14K's

Texas seems to be bleeding cheap SRT's right now. I know of one in DFW that was up for $11,900 NO reserve on Ebay last week. Ist bid would have got it. I think it is still there.
I put it up in cars for sale.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/2005-...item2eab0b4962

roadster with a stick

BTW I just bought an Aero blue SRT for $13,500 with 35K on the clock. Car is virtually mint. The deals are out there if you look.

 

Well from the sound of it i think i'll keep the NA and get the TVT. But changing the rev limiter to 6,300, is that not bad for the engine?? I thought their was a red line for a reason. But one of my complaints has been the shift to 3rd before 60, with that time taken out the car should run a 5.7 to 60, and with the other tvt mods hopefully something in the low 5's. To me the car is fast now, i've beaten bmw 330i's with it (I'm a huge BMW fan), I just want a little more power.

 

6300 in the first three gears won't hurt the engine. It's good to 6800 easy. I have had mine set that way for more than a year and drive like a teenager. No issues.
You are right about the 60 MPH ceiling on third gear. Damm irritating. Fix it in the tune and you will find yourself telling your BMW friends, "hey pal, you just got you butt kicked by a six."

roadster with a stick

 

Good to hear about the rev limited, i have been worried, my car goes to 85 in 3rd now and will let me go a little into the redline, but it dosent have a tune. And funny thing is I dont have any friends with BMW's, the reason I love them is I learned to drive in my moms 2004 BMW m3, and since have been to the bmw teen performance driving school, letting me drive the 335i, 135i, m3, x6 5.0, and 650i. It was the most amazing experience, and ever since then i've loved bmws. Not bad talking the crossfire, I love my crossfire. Most people I know have Mercedes, so i fit in with my crossfire. I have a friend who has a slk320, after riding in my car he said its unreal how similar they are

 

Gear Gears, the difference in the rear gears is really not significant. From a start the auto and its torque gain will give you the advantage and hole shot. It gets you into the rpm range quicker and has a torque multipication function.

Why are the drag cars running automatics if it were not for the advantage and reduced 'shock breakage' of the automatic gearbox. Down low the power curve of the S/C will lay waste to the n/a.

Woody

 

Sorry N/A with a tune won't touch a mustang GT (assumming you are talking about s197s, the newer GTs). and no they wont touch a 2010 camaro as well.you can put the best driver walked on this earth and i will be in the other cars (GT or the camaro). If an N/A with a tune can put a GT down or 2010 camaro, then they should be doing the ssame thing to the srts as well.

I personally ran 13.4 in a stock 06 GT on a 70 degrees weather without powershifting with literally 2 weeks behind the wheel with that car. Today i can run 13.1 or even flat 13 with a stock mustang GT. please tell me what a stock srt runs. 13.2? there ya go, the same deal. about 2010 camaro, with a good driver, it is a 12 second car easily.

 

If I remember correctly, only one person has broke into the 13's with a NA car, and that was on "juice". I don't remember reading where anybody has broken out of the 14's with a NA car no matter how many "performance" mods they've added.
If you want to stay with your friends Z's and Camaros "drag racing", then the SRT is the only way to go. That is the only thing the SRT does better than a NA car. If you're talkin about staying with them in the twisties, your NA car should be fine.
A well driven "stock" 6 spd. XF will not let a "stock" SRT out of its sight (even on the Hell Bender" section, of the Dragon) and can usually reel em back in on the curves. I know because I've done it with three different "stock" SRT's, and I'm certainly no exceptional driver, that's for sure.
But if Drag racing is the most important thing to you, go with the SRT and learn to deal with the automatic, then swap your hatch with a NA car. (You would have no problem finding somebody to trade with) Probably could even find somebody with the same color as yours.

 

Might as well check in here...

A fully built m112 v6 motor will come very close to stock SRT power, but not torque.

With the NA you have the advantage of the 6spd and the steep gearing. However, once you hit 3rd gear its all over. The na will give the illusion that it is accelerating faster due to the nature of NA engines having better throttle reponse.

My personal car is the fastest NA I've driven. It is all about the right combo of parts. In first and second I can snap your neck back, much harder then what the SRT does (and I've built some ridiculous SRTs). That's where it ends though, 3rd gear and up and you get humbled very easily by higher HP cars.

I always tell my customers to decide exactly what they want from the car and then decide on a budget. If around town driving is their most important aspect, then I suggest a CAI and exhaust and call it a day.

For a complete motor with all the bells and whistles and power to back it up you are looking at around 8K (they come forged too).

When you are ready to upgrade shoot me an email or give me a call and I'll be happy to go over everything.

 

Having been out with Doc and Tom on numerous occasions at the Dragon, I think this is a stretch, at best. My N/A is not modded to the extent that yours is, and I can still keep up - somewhat. I will loose them in the longer straights by several cars, maybe a hundred feet, but as soon as they hit even a slight turn, I am right back up there. Care to comment Doc??

The other thing I have heard nothing about is brakes. If you are talking drags, no reason to upgrade. But what helps me out most in the twisties is larger tires, upgraded brakes, and the 6 speed we all love so much. And let me tell you, I would rather have a brake upgrade than 5 or 10 hp any day of the week.....

 

I have both an N/A and an SRT. There is no way a N/A would keep up with an SRT either on the twisties or a strip! Manual or auto, modded or not. The level the SRT is at standard is far greater than you could get an N/A to with a sh*t load of mods!Engine, suspension, brakes. To get an N/A anywhere near an SRT you would need to spend so much more money, you may as well buy an SRT and not work for a year! The manual gearbox of a 6 speed pales into complete insignificance when compared with an SRT!

 

I really don't like to get into these who's faster talks. I will just say this, other than when I took John for a ride, I haven't pushed mine that hard for sometime now. As an old racer, I only run as hard as it takes to stay ahead. No reason to run any faster. A modded SRT ( brakes/motor) will outrun any NA in the twisties and the straights...period. I like all the friends I have made at the Dragon and there is no need to put any of them into a dangerous situation trying to out run me or anyone. BigKid, Tom, I trust to run with me, because I have seen their driving style. There are others, who tend to cross that yellow line, which isn't safe, so I don't play. I was playing with a modded yellow C5 vette, eating his tail until he had to cut corners, crossing the yellow line, trying to shake me...which he did, I quit...no need to get someone hurt to prove a point...Johnny, you are the only one who ever witnessed me all out, and I haven't done it again down there since that day...I just play and have fun with it...Tom got a small show, but not all out...we need a track for that...buy the SRT, you won't be disappointed...now my NA friends...your cars are just fine, and I miss driving a stick as well...so don't take what I said wrong...I like your cars too.....just do this stuff safely...pick your area well....I'm done...lol

 

Stock for stock they are clearly not equal. They will never be equal in a straight line, but in the twisties that's an entirely different ball game. I can build a customer a car (and have) that will outperform any stock SRT for les then the price difference of getting a SRT. Plus you get to keep a stick. As long as drivers are equal, the NA wil win. Guaranteed. Now with that said I can also build u a civic for less then half the cost of both that will dominate. Basically just enjoy what you have and make it what you want it to be.