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Old Apr 6, 2019 | 03:32 PM
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Take a 6mm Allen and use it to latch the rear bow closed.
 
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Old Apr 7, 2019 | 04:16 PM
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Originally Posted by DualSportDad
Take a 6mm Allen and use it to latch the rear bow closed.
. Thank you my tool came yesterday and I was able to lower and raise the top manually. It reset itself and now seems to be working without problems. Everyone thanks so much for this thread and all the help.
 
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Old Jun 24, 2023 | 01:22 PM
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I have a question that probably fits this thread best, for completeness.

I was reading the Service Manual about the manual top operation (pages 4043 - 4051, section 23, 482 onwards), and the steps seem to be confused about locking and unlocking the rearbow with the hexwrench.

Manual lowering, step 4 mentions a counterclockwise turn unlocks the bow
Manual raising, step 9 first mentions a counterclockwise turn locks the bow
and then step 14 mentions a clockwise turn locks the bow (additionally?)

So, is the manual confused? Am I confused? Or is this the secret doorknock that provides the true rearbow waterseal lock that the one-click procedure also accomplishes?

(I attached the pertinent part from the 2005 service manual.)

 
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Old Jun 24, 2023 | 01:26 PM
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A great how to by Pizzaguy is on U-tube.
 
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Old Jun 24, 2023 | 01:44 PM
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Originally Posted by 32BT

So, is the manual confused?
Our owners and service manuals are full of errors and omissions, but they are all we have.

To lock the bow to the lid to put the top up, turn counterclockwise.
To unlock the bow to put the top down, turn clockwise.

My only video to be viewed over 100,000 times. Funny, there are only about 34,000 convertibles in the world.

 
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Old Jun 24, 2023 | 01:56 PM
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Originally Posted by ZERACER
A great how to by Pizzaguy is on U-tube.
Yes, thx, I saw the opening post video, I also watched the video by top hydraulics. Question is more for completeness sake. I'll be practicing the procedure soon. I was prepping the required tools. I already have a 10mm wrench selected for the prep-toolbox. (It is a normal wrench, thin by itself, fits perfectly). Need to find a decent hexwrench. I have several, but they are all somewhat rusty and dirty. Don't want that near the car.
 
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Old Jun 24, 2023 | 02:01 PM
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Originally Posted by pizzaguy
Our owners and service manuals are full of errors and omissions, but they are all we have.

To lock the bow to the lid to put the top up, turn counterclockwise.
To unlock the bow to put the top down, turn clockwise.

My only video to be viewed over 100,000 times. Funny, there are only about 34,000 convertibles in the world.
Yes, thx. As you already mentioned we should watch this three times to really get it. I have now watched it twice, so one more bag of popcorn, and I'm good to go...

You also posted a 2008 service manual excerpt in the other thread, but unfortunately is skipped some pages. It did make me wonder whether they may have changed some of the description.
 
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Old Jun 24, 2023 | 04:05 PM
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Klaus and pizza guy are the two most knowledgeable guys regarding the Crossfire. Thank you to both of them for sharing their expertise with us.
 
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Old Jun 24, 2023 | 07:08 PM
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Originally Posted by 32BT
Yes, thx. As you already mentioned we should watch this three times to really get it. I have now watched it twice, so one more bag of popcorn, and I'm good to go...

You also posted a 2008 service manual excerpt in the other thread, but unfortunately is skipped some pages. It did make me wonder whether they may have changed some of the description.
Those pages were provided by Bob McCubbin, the 2008 has the more detailed information on troubleshooting the top system. I"ve never paid much attention to them, as I've not needed them, but Bob has.
 
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Old Jun 27, 2023 | 11:23 AM
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I had to read this again and yes that what happens when someone uses a copy/paste procedure. I do try doing a manual operation just to keep my memory fresh and also have a printed copy of the operation and 6mm hex wrench in the car at all times.


I have found one other item that bit me in the behind in the manual.
Cooling Service Info, Sec:7-17, Torq Specs, last two items. WP M6 bolts 10N-m, M8 bolts 35N-m.

WP Install, Sec: 7-64, Step 3, tighten WP bolts to 35N-m.

My feeling was that there was a lot of torq for such a small bolt (the M6 bolts) and two bolts snapped off. I had to rent a trailer and take the XF over to the mechanic to extract them. Lucky he's a good mechanic and had them out in less than 5 minutes. Took him longer to set up than it did to remove the bolts.
 
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Old Jun 27, 2023 | 11:43 AM
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Originally Posted by GB_WI
I had to read this again and yes that what happens when someone uses a copy/paste procedure. I do try doing a manual operation just to keep my memory fresh and also have a printed copy of the operation and 6mm hex wrench in the car at all times.


I have found one other item that bit me in the behind in the manual.
Cooling Service Info, Sec:7-17, Torq Specs, last two items. WP M6 bolts 10N-m, M8 bolts 35N-m.

WP Install, Sec: 7-64, Step 3, tighten WP bolts to 35N-m.

My feeling was that there was a lot of torq for such a small bolt (the M6 bolts) and two bolts snapped off. I had to rent a trailer and take the XF over to the mechanic to extract them. Lucky he's a good mechanic and had them out in less than 5 minutes. Took him longer to set up than it did to remove the bolts.
If you are referring to water pump installation, the torque setting for the M6 is correct at 10nm. The correct torque for the M8 should be 25nm not 35nm. The M6 ones were the ones that broke?
 
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Old Jun 27, 2023 | 12:18 PM
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Originally Posted by GB_WI
I have found one other item that bit me in the behind in the manual.
SO you understand my cynical attitude about our owners and service manuals. I get a LITTLE pissy when people preach "read the manual", while they are right and there IS a lot of good stuff in there, there are also errors and omissions that, sometimes, are inexcusable.
 
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