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Sorry for waste time.
I found problem -battery died! Was only 10,5V. Probably my new radio discharge battery. When all is off car take 0,30-0,35A, this is too much.
Hello Pizzaguy ... if you see this today (17 May, 2018) ... I’ve followed many of your posts concerning the convertible top of Crossfire
I have a 2005 Crossfire, Bentley engine model ... other data available upon request
The top has displayed every problem listed and then some...
I'm writing to ask about the bow latch .... I’ve learned how to manually raise and lower the top conv top
Along the way, the trunk has had to be opened via access through driver’s side tail light assembly removal
...and the bow latch has refused to open the tonneau cover after it has been adjusted with the 6mm hex
I saw the latch mechanism through an access hole on the tonneau cover ... it did not contribute to solving the problem of it being somehow stuck in such a way as to prevent the release of the tonneau cover
We managed to put the top down ...and now wish to put it back up.
In short ...after turning the hex screw on the bowlatch ...the tonneau cover is not released so that we may put the top back up
Can you suggest anything that might be holding this up?
...do you know what the "B" would imply?
This is my girlfriend's car ... I've taken an interest in attempting to maintain it ...
It's a bit out of my league actually.... But she loves it so...
not sure if the other thread is spot on ... the tonneau isn't releasing when I manually operate the latch cylinder... (the 6mm screw in trunk)
Show us a photo of this "B" on the hood. Because we are all LOST as to why there is a "B" there.
PLEASE watch my video from start to finish, most people must watch it about three times before they absorb it all - I tried to go as slowly as I could and make things as clear as I could. The 6mm screw ONLY released the rear bow, the tonneau cover is released with the big wrech-thing you use just behind the seats.
"TX" does not tell us where you are, where in Texas are you? I move to Hurst, Texas (Fort Worth area) on June 9.
Let some of your new fellow Texans know when you get settled into Hurst. I owe you a nice dinner for all the information that you've posted here. I'll drive up from Austin...
At the end of the video he says doing this does not confuse the cars mechanics/computer. This was not my experience. The check engine light came on and the car started beeping at me as though I was not wearing a seatbelt once I got above 10mph...LOL. Jeez, any ideas?
At the end of the video he says doing this does not confuse the cars mechanics/computer. This was not my experience. The check engine light came on and the car started beeping at me as though I was not wearing a seatbelt once I got above 10mph...LOL. Jeez, any ideas?
1) The check engine light has nothing to do with the top, I know of no error code in the top system that lights the CEL.
2) The beeping above 10mph indicates that the top control system has lost track of where in the cycle you are - it is warning you that the cycle is not complete.
One thing I DID NOT make clear (at least I don't think I did) is that moving the top manually without the engine idling will lead to the computer not keeping up with what you are doing. You want the key on (and preferably, the engine idling) when you move the top manually. TRY THIS: Start the car, put the top up and down manually two or three times, COMPLETELY, and the controller should sync.
Let some of your new fellow Texans know when you get settled into Hurst. I owe you a nice dinner for all the information that you've posted here. I'll drive up from Austin...
I will try to do that. Life is NUTS these days, I live in the North Georgia mountains but my office is in Irving Texas. Our lab is in pieces, and customers still think we should support the product - but we simply cannot, not for at least another month.
I move in on June 9 - so by mid June I should be pretty much settled.
1) The check engine light has nothing to do with the top, I know of no error code in the top system that lights the CEL.
2) The beeping above 10mph indicates that the top control system has lost track of where in the cycle you are - it is warning you that the cycle is not complete.
One thing I DID NOT make clear (at least I don't think I did) is that moving the top manually without the engine idling will lead to the computer not keeping up with what you are doing. You want the key on (and preferably, the engine idling) when you move the top manually. TRY THIS: Start the car, put the top up and down manually two or three times, COMPLETELY, and the controller should sync.
I have been leaving the engine on when moving the top up and down. As PizzaGuy says, it keeps the control system for the top knowing where the top is. I used to move the top up or down with the engine off and eventually, the control system got mixed up and I had to re-sync it.
I've added one more step to the manual process. After I finish the up or down process, I turn the engine off. I leave the engine off for two minutes. That seems to be the amount of time it takes the control system to go to sleep and the light on the power-up-power-down switch to go out. Once it goes out, (and it always seems to be right at two minutes), then it stays off after I start the engine up. I don't get any beeping at all following that system.
I've added one more step to the manual process. After I finish the up or down process, I turn the engine off. I leave the engine off for two minutes. That seems to be the amount of time it takes the control system to go to sleep and the light on the power-up-power-down switch to go out. Once it goes out, (and it always seems to be right at two minutes), then it stays off after I start the engine up. I don't get any beeping at all following that system.
Probably just one more thing they did not document for the owners. (I mean, why document this stuff - just, as the manual says, "Go strait to a dealer.... leave blank check.")
I have been leaving the engine on when moving the top up and down. As PizzaGuy says, it keeps the control system for the top knowing where the top is. I used to move the top up or down with the engine off and eventually, the control system got mixed up and I had to re-sync it.
I've added one more step to the manual process. After I finish the up or down process, I turn the engine off. I leave the engine off for two minutes. That seems to be the amount of time it takes the control system to go to sleep and the light on the power-up-power-down switch to go out. Once it goes out, (and it always seems to be right at two minutes), then it stays off after I start the engine up. I don't get any beeping at all following that system.
@pizzaguy and keithtexas - thank you so much for your fast responses. your information is awesome. So: I tried idle-ing the engine and manually bringing the top up and down 3-4 times. I'm still having a beeping issue. I HAVE NOT yet tried Keith's method to leave the engine off for 2 minutes and start it up again. I will try now. I called Chrysler and they said they have an in house Crossfire specialist that could re calibrate the sensors: i have an appointment Tuesday in the event I can't fix this myself.
One last question: if I try Keith's approach and am still unsuccessful, would disconnecting the battery reset the system or is that a bad idea? I definitely would like to avoid leaving a "blank check" at Chrysler
@pizzaguy and keithtexas - thank you so much for your fast responses. your information is awesome. So: I tried idle-ing the engine and manually bringing the top up and down 3-4 times. I'm still having a beeping issue. I HAVE NOT yet tried Keith's method to leave the engine off for 2 minutes and start it up again. I will try now. I called Chrysler and they said they have an in house Crossfire specialist that could re calibrate the sensors: i have an appointment Tuesday in the event I can't fix this myself.
One last question: if I try Keith's approach and am still unsuccessful, would disconnecting the battery reset the system or is that a bad idea? I definitely would like to avoid leaving a "blank check" at Chrysler
I don't know about disconnecting the battery. But one thing I didn't mention was that I never touch the uo/down switch. I've had my '05 Roadster for less than a year. At first, I could go through a manual top up or top down process and then push the up/down button and the light would go off and no beeping. But at some point, that stopped working, so I went to the extra step of turning the engine off for two minutes until the up/down button light went off.
You previously mentioned the check engine light coming on? As Pizzaguy said, that's got nothing to do with the top up/top down process. Have you resolved the check engine light question? If you absolutely have to take it to a Chrysler dealer, then maybe you can get some extra diagnostic information for your hard-earned bucks. Good luck!
Thanks Keith, I haven't touched the button at all myself. Also, I live next to an autozone and they have a similar diagnostic tool that should hopefully tell me what's up with the check engine light: definitely head to them before the dealer. One problem at a time
Update: I filled up the hydraulic pump reservoir (fun times) and then used the button to open/close the top. The beeping has stopped. I can't be sure if it was Keith's method that took effect from me moving top up/down a few times manually and then turning off the car; or if the automatic function reset the system. I'll attempt to try the manual operation later once it stops raining #florida
Regarding Check Engine light from earlier:
I took the Crossfire to autozone and the diagnostic tool resulted in a Code P2098: "the PCM detected that the bank 2 lean correction limit for a condition causing a rich air/fuel ratio was greater than the maximum allowable limit. P20989 Post Catalyst Fuel Trim System Too Lean Bank 2 P20989 Post Catalyst Fuel Trim System Too Lean Bank 2"
That's from the print out the Autozone employee gave me. This is now off subject of the manual top operation and I'll find the right Topic in this forum to seek help.
I'll update again after I try the manual operation now that the beeping has stopped; see if I can successfully complete w/o triggering any alerts. Thanks!
Ok so I replaced the trunk actuator and glued the window but the top still will not go up or down. I attached photos to show the position the bow is stuck in. I just ordered the multi purpose tool and I am going to try to lower and raise it manually in hopes of resetting it. Any put is appreciated
Fixing rear window excuse the mess Latch for bow stuck
Originally Posted by pizzaguy
Just in case you are new here, and don't have an owner's manual, I thought I'd do a video on manual top operation.
I did my best, took (believe it or not) I THINK 12 takes - this was the best one. Sorry I could not get a hot model to stand in for me.
Re: Manual Top Operation
