Updated list for Cooling system seperation kit

 

I for one would like to see some cams, head work etc. I wonder if AMG left any improvement in the valve train area. Plus I think exhaust port matching, reshaping would yield some better power for not only the SRT6 but also the N/A guys. This would give the aftermarket guys some more sales.

 

ProjectMayhem not got "got ham..." haha

 

Your the racing game now, DEAL WITH IT!

 

I think bore x stroke would be very expensive. I read somewhere that MB uses these silicon steel epoxy/alloys for the sleeves to reduce piston-wall friction. I am aware of the 3.8L kit that Startech has, but then again, how much is that car. It would be nice to find another outlet for cams though, and not just them, but cam followers (I know this motor doesn't have rocker arms) to make that rocker arm ration a little higher to allow intake & exhaust valves open further longer. Just need more of a valve relief grinded into the pistons.
Now that I'm in my Hot Rod class, we're blueprinting a SBC, bext Hot Rod class we take that motor and put it into a T-Bucket and put it on the dyno for base runs, then throw power adders onto it.We had an assignment to frin stock cam duration/lift on our own cars and find someone to make a performance cam for our cars. I recently approached Crane, Comp, and Lunati for custom grinds but they don't support Mercedes Benz cams. Oh well...


Justin

 

The larger displacement kits aren't that hard to make. MB already has pistons for 3.75 L all you need to do is make them forged for boost. The basic R&D is over.

These heads are pretty much maxed out. Check with Jerry at LET, there just isn't much to be had there. We've got a couple of sets lying around and the most we'll do with those are possible lighter valvetrain components.

Cams would be the most useful mod at this point, but without a significant interest cost is going to be prohibitive.

If you really want this to move along, pick one product and only one and go from there. There are many people on here that don't do tuning for a living that have a vast knowledge of mechanics, physics, and engineering concepts. If everyone pooled some money together and all put in a little effort the aftermarket for these cars could be huge.

This is a good thread as it allows people to express interest, but focus on one thing and go with it. If you're too spread out everything will go nowhere.

 

No doubt, I guess from the poll, Cooling seperation seems to be the most wanted mod. I guess we can focus on that and then cams after. Cams seem to be the next mod people are wanting, atleast on the SRT6 side.

 

I don't know about the most wanted, but definitely the most voted on. My point is from what I've seen, the cooling separation is somewhat on the cheaper side of the things to do whereas cams are more expensive. But cams apply to all Crossfire models whereas the cooling is SRT only, what do us Limited and Base model guys care about heat exchanger upgrades?


Justin

 

Once again the separate reseviors is something i might be willing to throw some $ into just like i helped with the JR Industries pillar pods. But first lets get and idea of exactly what were looking at doing here.

What will make this beneficial or better than the one srtpowa or brianbrave has setup?How will it be different and what will it consist of? Estimated time/cost?

As far as the most realistic mod members will be willing to contribute to i think this is it. Cams will not be hundreds the will be thousands and it better darn well be someone who really knows what they are doing. And as far as doing cams before bigger headers im not sure youll gain the full benefit, but who knows its too early in the game to know.

 

I'm really not trying to exclude you N/A guys, just like 240 pointed out, cams is an expensive endeavor and with nobody really jumping to drop any money for R&D its something that needs to build more steam. Coolant seperating system tho, can be done without alot of expensive R&D depending on how its made. Thats why I'm focusing on that for now. I know for sure if TVT or somebody can come up with a blueprint of a nice setup, people will buy for sure because in the SRT6 this is a huge problem spot. Now as for the design of the Seperation kit I would really like something like code3 thought up. That system seems to look the cleanest and the benefit of a lighter smaller battery. My vote is for something like that.

PS If you can rally some N/A guys or whoever to drop some R&D money on cams, I will drop some too.

 

My opinion would be to use their idea as a guide, if they allow. There's no reason to start from scratch if the surface is already broken. If their products show gains look at improving on them, not making something completely new. The pic posted of the tank in the battery area is probably the cleanest idea.

If you want it fancier, the price goes up. We're not talking intakes anymore. In all honesty if you are looking to make a product that is ready for market, expect 2-3K minimum for R&D backing on this part. A one off part is cheap and easy to make. Having a part that can be adapted to many cars and installed easilyt without long term problems costs a little more.

 

So your thinking the coolant tank will be about two or so thousand to fab up? Thats a lil steeper then what I was expecting for basically a plastic or aluminum tank, everything else is basically just cut to fit tubing and a battery. Maybe I'm just ignorant to actual costs to fab a coolant tank.

 

My custom IC coolant tank was around $300 to fab (plus I paid a little more for the shinny aluminum cap VS a plastic one) - The shop that fabbed it up would absorb the cost of building a JIG if orders were for five or more. That's also how many tanks he could built per sheet of aluminum. But the truth is - you don't need new tank - the stock surge tank will work just great.

The main goal is to seperate the two coolant systems - So instead think about installing a new header/surge tank for the engine coolant. Lots tanks on the market by Moroso, Meziere and others (search JEGS for "surge tank")

I went with the Meziere tank because if fit like a glove on the radiator shroud with two bolts and connected to the existing hoses easily.

This mod should only cost you around $135 - new tank, hose fittings, 16Lb radiator cap, bolts, nuts, washers and hose clamps.

Screwdriver, drill, a few wrenches and razor/trim knife for tools.

 

So the pics on whats on your car right now is what we should expect from the kit you are speaking of? and for that custom made IC tank it would be $300? So how much for everything (custom IC tank and all appropriate hoses etc.) ? Sorry, just trying to figure out the grand total. I think everybody who put their name on the list wants the top quality and best looking stuff, so a price cutting no corners would be appreciated. Just curious as to if your friend could fab something similar Code3's system and how much that would cost also?