John you are correct when you say aero plays a role At higher speeds the Areo Blue is much faster . and with the Ironing board on the back it will also press your a** in the seat.

 

I simply want it for esthetics. I know they never made a red SRT6 roadster and I also like to stand out from the crowd. That is another reason I had Dayton create one off direct fit wire wheels for my car. They really change the look, and it was the look I wanted. My wife has a 2005 SSB SRT6 so if I want to go faster I simply drive that

 

I thought it looked like wire wheels on your car , Do you have any pictures you could post in your photo section I would like to check them out ...

 

It's grown on me... and no... don't think the LTD is my style. I am loving this little car. It's not as much fun as my 300C SRT-8 with the 426 stroker and the Magnuson 2.3 twin-screw running 10 psi, at least not in a straight line. On the other hand, this car is fun in the curves and from what I'm seeing on Needswings' and Eurocharged's online catalogs.... I can throw away a bunch more of my retirement and make this pretty brutal in a straight line too.

 

FP is correct, and I understand where you are coming from, John, but you must keep in mind the team was in Germany during development and testing, so no speed limits to worry about, he plainly stated there was no additional benefit of the SRT in aero or downforce. We all found this interesting and he confirmed again after some intoxicated SRT owner from Indiana wouldn't believe him (and apparently still doesn't) LOL

 

We shall ignore the larger brakes, lighter wheels, stiffer springs, firmer shocks, and chin spoiler as those were all likely done for pure aesthetic reasons. Surely, the humongous rear wing falls into that category. *****, and the courage to take it to those handling thresholds, are apparently the only performance enhancing accessories on these cars.

No one doubts that the curator spoke those words in the museum on that fateful day, when Crossfire myths were rocked. I simply struggle to believe that a 4' wide wing, wrapped around the side of the hatch, with a ~30° pitch and genuine lift profile (flat top, curved underside) produces zero increase in force compared to a 18" wide, flat-sided ducktail at a near 40° pitch.

Perhaps I imagined the extra stability and lack of pucker-factor at those speeds after the larger wing and front fascia were installed. Silly me.

I digress.

 

As I recall, he also stated that Dieter Z. insisted on the SRT wing!

 

It wouldn't be the first Chrysler employee that I didn't believe or trust, lol. I'm still not buying it. It seems that it would defy physics if it didn't have more downforce than the smaller surface area of the N/A foil. But unless someone comes up with the data from the air tunnel testing, the debate continues. We need MythBusters.

 

I didn't believe a lot of things they stated that night. But at those speeds I will trust a wing over a flat piece of metal any day. If flat pieces of metal would work, there wouldn't be a reason for wings...some of those guys were informative, some, well, I think bs walks... Love to see some wind tunnel results... but that will never happen now.... I will stay with what I have... I will paint a middle finger on both of them now....

Besides, what the hell does a "product" mgr do? Play with his "product"?

 

Photos of car with Dayton' on it in my gallery now enjoy.

 

Try and hold that piece of flat metal at an angle to the wind rushing over it. Or hold your hand out the car window and rotate it against the air flow, you will have pressure on one side and a lower pressure on the other. Changing the flat wing to an airfoil section will have give a very limited increase in the lift or down force due to the short depth of the wing.

 

I guess hearing from the horse's mouth, the engineer who developed the whole project and was in the windtunnel during testing, with 30+ people in the room is complete BS

I can see insulting the tech at Chrysler who has never seen a crossfire yet states he can competently work on it, but the guy who is one of the only reasons we have our cars, that is quite disrespectful indeed. Especially considering he pulled up in his sons XF and because he took his personal time to some speak with us, and share some great anecdotes and figures Chrysler would never let us know.

How many of you were there, in Osnabrück again?

I digress

 

Disagreeing with someone is not "disrespect". I like the Tennessee Vols, you like Purdue. Life goes on and neither belief affects the other.

Not sure why everyone gets butt-hurt when we (as enthusiasts that push our cars to the limits) disagree with someone that wears a tie to work. Apparently if we weren't in the museum that day, we're not allowed to disagree based on personal experience with the car, trail-braking into a left-hander at 120mph. That means nothing! Curator says ______ and that's that. End of story folks! Sell your ironing boards and buy Limited wings. I happen to have one for sale, if someone wants the weight reduction. They offer just as much downforce and are lighter!

Again, what do I know.

I clearly did not feel what I felt, both on and off the track. Silly me.

From now on, I'll simply take Chrysler at their word on everything.

The point is moot, the car I'm about to buy is a missle. And yes, Virginia, there is a large wing involved.

See ya at the finish line! I'll have a brewski of your choice sitting on the wing waiting for ya.

Cheers,

 

Was it much trouble and is all the wireing in place or do you have to run wires and about how long does it take to switch.

 

I was really surprised when Nascar ditched the wing back in favor of the spoiler blade myself!

Oh waite..wrong forum..

 

Note the width, though...

 

Let's not leap to conclusions, any extra weight is actually an increase in down force. As the NA wing has a motor and a mechanism the weight is probably about the same though.

The surface area will directly affect the down force in the same air flow and at the same angle of attack. The fixed wing at any speed will lessen the possible fuel economy.

If you fit your average sized passenger in the trunk you will have no need for any wing.
"Quit whining back there, brace yourself here's another sharp left hander"

 

Hey John... just been catching bits and pieces of your xfire saga.. but it sounds like you've nailed down an SRT?

 

This is easy enough to check...

I still have my Limited spoiler and mechanism... I will be removing the SRT wing and base plate from my white one to sell to another member on here.

I will weigh both, and report the findings.

I think the SRT wing is marginally heavier. The Limited spoiler weighs ~1.5 pounds, maybe 5 for the mechanism. Motor only weighs a few ounces.

Before the SRT wing was installed, no care had to be taken when shutting the hatch. Afterwards, it took one or two SLAMS for me to re-learn my shutting procedure. Maybe I imagined that too, perhaps I was just on steroids.

 

Affirmative.

If all goes well, should have it within the week. Local owner, super nice guy, and the money involved is within a grand of what I would pay for a Limited...

I haven't popped the champagne yet, but it's looking good.