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Part 2 : PLEASE HELP MY CAR WON'T START AND I'M STRANDED

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Old Apr 19, 2013 | 05:21 PM
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Got the Bosch cps today from ebay as recommended . yes its the right part someone from te forum sent me the link...put it in worked great first few times drove to walmart and back (first lengthy drive since new part put in besides that just once around the block) then now back to a hard time starting... Before the part arrived the only way the past week to start the car was to hold down the gas and try turning it on then eventually it would start. After ping to Walmart and back I feel like the engine heats up real fast because the car is super hot right now and Walmart is only 10 min away... Any suggestions???? Please see part one for more info
 
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Old Apr 19, 2013 | 05:46 PM
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Just checked heat cool have looks normal
 
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Old Apr 19, 2013 | 09:44 PM
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Well, 1st off, holding down the gas, since it is throttle by wire, really didn't do much....if you have replaced the CPS, and it now starts fine. Why do you think it is too hot? What does the temp gauge read? It should heat up rather quickly, but not over heat.
 

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Old Apr 19, 2013 | 09:50 PM
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Originally Posted by oledoc2u
Well, 1st off, holding down the gas, since it is throttle by wire, really didn't do much....if you have replaced the CPS, and it now starts fine. Why do you think it is too hot? What does the temp gauge read? It should heat up rather quickly, but not over heat.
Temp gauge is normal.... It only turns on after the third time if you push down on the gas for some reason if you don't push the gas it won't turn on...
 
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Old Apr 19, 2013 | 10:01 PM
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You throttle is eletronic in nature so there is a module that controls the peddle. Your throttle control may be bad or have a loose connection. If you or someone is handy, they can take the throttle peddle loose, and check connections. When you push the throttle peddle it sends a signal to the throttle body... That may be the problem... It is called the Throttle Position Sensor...or TPS....
 
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Old Apr 19, 2013 | 10:13 PM
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Originally Posted by MissSilky
Got the Bosch cps today from ebay as recommended . yes its the right part someone from te forum sent me the link...put it in worked great first few times drove to walmart and back (first lengthy drive since new part put in besides that just once around the block) then now back to a hard time starting... Before the part arrived the only way the past week to start the car was to hold down the gas and try turning it on then eventually it would start. After ping to Walmart and back I feel like the engine heats up real fast because the car is super hot right now and Walmart is only 10 min away... Any suggestions???? Please see part one for more info
Remember me asking about that new filter you got..
Another member just went through an ordeal with his "Firestone fixed it"... with an off brand fuel filter.
Doc.. correct me if I'm wrong here..but if fuel is being "by passed" won't you create a lean condition and potentially overheating?

https://www.crossfireforum.org/forum...lp-please.html
 

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Old Apr 19, 2013 | 10:18 PM
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Yes it will.....but I thought the car was running fine after the CPS....if you are cranking and cranking then it could be the fuel, the fuel filter, or even a weak fuel pump.... Leave the throttle alone and just crank the car over and see if it finally starts without even touching the throttle. People tend to think the throttle is like the old days and pumps gasoline into the carb...you have neither today...you have electronics and a throttle body...
 
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Old Apr 20, 2013 | 12:46 AM
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This sounds like what was happening to me, and it turned out to be the fuel filter. Shop put in wrong one and i wasnt getting enough fuel. Car wouldnt start first time, or sometimes second and felt like i didnt have any power over 3k rpm..Check the fuel filter and make sure its a bosh
 
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Old Apr 20, 2013 | 08:03 AM
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The fuel pressure issue can be determined for $33 with :

Actron CP7818 Fuel Pressure Tester Kit : Amazon.com : Automotive Actron CP7818 Fuel Pressure Tester Kit : Amazon.com : Automotive

The manual says :
The Fuel Pump has a maximum deadheaded pressure output of approximately 9.0 kPa (130 psi).
The Regulator adjusts Fuel System pressure to approximately 3.7 - 4.1 bar (54 - 60 psi).
 

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Old Apr 20, 2013 | 11:24 AM
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Originally Posted by alaxfire
The fuel pressure issue can be determined for $33 with :

Actron CP7818 Fuel Pressure Tester Kit : Amazon.com : Automotive

The manual says :
or she can go to the local Harbor Freight in Oceanside and get one today if they have them in stock.
Fuel Pressure Tester & Fuel Injection Pump Tester
 
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Old Apr 20, 2013 | 12:29 PM
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When my car acted like this I had the fuel filter and pump changed and it fixed the problem for good
I found these posts during my research


https://www.crossfireforum.org/forum/383956-post4.html

https://www.crossfireforum.org/forum/522263-post4.html

https://www.crossfireforum.org/forum/544861-post8.html


Here is my story in my thread
Needswings (Rob) and rcompart (Rudy) did it !!!
 
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Old Apr 20, 2013 | 12:52 PM
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Any way to identify a real bosch CPS once it is separated from the package?
 
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Old Apr 20, 2013 | 06:04 PM
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All this commotion made me go out and buy one as per mrmiata...

and for those doing the job - see 0nehundred80's link
https://www.crossfireforum.org/forum...tml#post710118
 

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Old Apr 20, 2013 | 06:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Billy22Bob
All this commotion made me go out and buy one as per mrmiata...
Alibaba's a good resource for us "Austral-asians"
Aliexpress.com : Buy Crankshaft Position Sensor 0261210170 for MERCEDES BENZ from Reliable bosch crankshaft position sensor suppliers on Shanghai Spring Auto Parts Co., Ltd.
A 0261210170 $34 shipped to my door.
Hope it all works out for the others......

and for those doing the job - see 0nehundred80's link
https://www.crossfireforum.org/forum...tml#post710118

For some reason I don't think that is actually a Bosch Brand.. Ref p/n and "actual" p/n...
 
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Old Apr 20, 2013 | 06:35 PM
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Any way to identify a real bosch CPS once it is separated from the package?
It says Bosch on it for starters.
 
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Old Apr 20, 2013 | 08:49 PM
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The link provided by Bill22Bob is not a Bosch CPS. I would avoid it go with the real deal. JMHO
 
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Old Apr 20, 2013 | 10:07 PM
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hmmm....interesting - my mistake - I figured if it had the same PN (0261210170) it was a Bosch PN.
Ouch!...there goes $35!
I'll amend post
 
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Old Apr 21, 2013 | 08:25 PM
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Ok everyone - I am bamboozled by the (conflicting) info?? Part numbers (CFS) are not reliable? MissSilky has provide us with her efforts to correct a recurring problem. I am not sure where we are. Can someome more knowledgeable than I am summarize what has been replaced/what may need to be replaced? I can imagine traveling cross country and having continuing difficulties (I did it once in an MBG Roadster -before Internet ) and can tell you how I VALUED all who helped me......

Posts have been terrfic and have shown continuing concern for her and her welfare. This is a wonderful 'family' of connected XF owners. I can only imagine her anxiety as she continued to CA - hoping there would be no constant operational problems. I think maybe we all have been there..... or may be there in the future.

Alicia
 
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Old Apr 21, 2013 | 08:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Alicia
Ok everyone - I am bamboozled by the (conflicting) info?? Part numbers (CFS) are not reliable? MissSilky has provide us with her efforts to correct a recurring problem. I am not sure where we are. Can someome more knowledgeable than I am summarize what has been replaced/what may need to be replaced? I can imagine traveling cross country and having continuing difficulties (I did it once in an MBG Roadster -before Internet ) and can tell you how I VALUED all who helped me......

Posts have been terrfic and have shown continuing concern for her and her welfare. This is a wonderful 'family' of connected XF owners. I can only imagine her anxiety as she continued to CA - hoping there would be no constant operational problems. I think maybe we all have been there..... or may be there in the future.

Alicia
Billy22Bob's post mentioned a part that was too cheap and the reference number was actually the sellers stock number the way I saw it. Whatever.
The CPS solution has been beaten to death and did not solve the problem from what I see.

I would want to see a code number that was set.

Valks post on the fuel system is not to be ignored.


This thread and the preceding one became confusing and I gave up on it as I am sure many did, input has to be concise, using simple language that people understand. Turnover and crank etc are confusing as they mean different things to people.
 
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Old Apr 21, 2013 | 10:17 PM
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Originally Posted by onehundred80



Valks post on the fuel system is not to be ignored.

This thread and the preceding one became confusing and I gave up on it as I am sure many did, input has to be concise, using simple language that people understand. Turnover and crank etc are confusing as they mean different things to people.
Guess sometimes it just takes a while for an idea to soak in...

https://www.crossfireforum.org/forum/733937-post13.html
 
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