Great minds think alike.

Too much BS, ifs and buts in this thread.
I loved my NA 6 speed, but the SRT I love more just because of the extra power. I like blue, I just wish it was a white SC V8.

Talk about being fickle.

 

And take that formula .. even in the slapstick version.. add another 70-80 horse power (That is what I'm really anticipating - even if Kleeman claims 113 from 7.2 psi) And the perma grin just gets even bigger.

Besides.. who wants to buy a car and turn around and have to replace there Johnson?

 

Running an intercooler, if it is set at 8psi, will see 1-4 PSI in 1 and 2nd gear, and then ramp to 6-8 in 3rd and 4th gear. So the power is really going to come in around the 800 -1000 foot mark and pull really hard on the big end of the track. The turbo makes power based on load. Loading is low in 1st and second gear, plus the intercooler on a low boost system is actually detrimental to making boost. The turbo is trying to make power, but having to pressurize the intercooler space, while the cooling effect is actually lowering the boost pressure as the air density increases causing the air volume to contract.

The positive displacement supercharger is making significant boost right off the line and holding it through the run, so it is going to have the power advantage during the initial acceleration phase.

 

We saw this first-hand at the half-mile event in September... Many of the turbo cars were slow in the 1-2 start, but EXPLODED down the track once they settled into 3rd. If they were making serious power, they might be able to reel in the S/C'd cars, but that was a maybe.

GT-R was the exception, those things simply snacked on whatever they lined up against.

 

My 5.7 Cherokee with AWD was a much better fit than the rear wheel drive car. Again, not running an intercooler, but spraying water/meth, I could sit at the line and hold it on the torque converter stall, and be making almost 5lbs of boost before coming off the line. It would come out of the hole like a rocket. Stock, it was 0-60 in about 6.5 seconds, with turbo, 0-60 in about 4.2 seconds. Quarter mile stock was about 94-96. With turbo I had pulled a 12.7 at 112. 7-8 lbs boost, no intercooler.

 

Yes, grip grip it was a very interesting read. Seems to be a bit of a pattern doesn't
it.
I want my turbo and I want it nowwwww

 

I don't know what "nipping" means...but keeping it a discussion is more important than name calling to me. Building cars isn't as easy as bolting on go fast goodies as some think. The new "ecu" managed cars just makes it even more difficult. I was hoping this was the one to get it done for the NA's, but maybe it isn't and maybe it will never happen to the point of a "kit" bolt on HP as everyone had hoped for. But, they tried. Only a few with the knowledge and time have,rightly so, they will have the one off so to speak. That is what most car guys want. The one off, the different, but faster than the other guy. Look at the SRT section. Each of us have modded our cars just a little different than the other seeking to be faster. We used all the different vendors to get there. Some made their own parts, some bought them...It is what it is. You want to make it personal, my address is open to the public. Come on over...

 

No I don't want to to make it personal, don't be so touchy.
Keep it friendly, but thanks for inviting me over, nobody ever does that. Really I didn't get that sensitive when you called me a "meathead" ..although you may have been "nipping" at the time

 

British speak for "drinking"

 

Turbo is a lot of fun, I had an S60R and indeed 3rd gear on was more fun/fast. Depending on the size of the turbo, most cars do come close to getting full boost in second gear on.

 

Damn!!!!!!!

 

Yeppers.. kinda makes me wonder if we're not at a Mexican standoff.. who's going to flinch first.

 

I think what kills me is Corky comes on with a heart felt apology, but at the same time says we were just one day of tuning away from being complete. I wonder how many one day away promises he gave the poor chap, and he still didn't get his money back.

 

I like the part where Corky was telling the Miata forum.net, MX-5-miata forum, in his whole hearted apology way, "this would never happen again in his lifetime" Meanwhile he was talking with us on Turboing a Crossfire. (New prey)

 

Obligatory any official contact / updates? Post.

 

Well I pulled the plug, enough is enough.
I E-mailed Begi Monday night asking for my Deposit back. Haven't heard back from them yet. Stated that it has gone on far to long. I minded my manners because I didn't want to give them a excuse to bail out and send Crossfire 1 home with a turbo in the trunk.
It's not just the wait, nor the bogus updates, but also being taken down the less than truthful path. We had input to begin with and he has taken this turbo design down his own road. I know nothing was written in stone, but I did think our input was important as we were the customer. I think this kit is junk.
The pipe going under the crossmember, I just don't like that. The way the pipe enters the Engine compartment, dumb. The plastic MAF looks like crap. The steel pipes are what finished me, they will rust, I don't care how well they are coated on the outside, they will rust from the inside out. All of this will take place AFTER your air filter. I live in a high humidity area putting lots of moisture into it. Moisture and steel = rust. That rust will have to go somewhere, on the cold air side it will be pushed through your intercooler ,through your air sensor, through the throttle body and into the motor. Rust is corrosive and abrasive. On the hot side, it will be pushed onto your turbo blades, into the exhaust system and some of it out the tailpipe. Even the cheapest kit on Ebay hasn't got steel. Preferred method Stainless steel and aluminum. This project has a lot of pipe to rust.
This kit would have ended up around $4500.00 with shipping and duty, only to end up spending a lot of money modifying it before it went in my car. I prefer only clean air and clean oil in my car, hence air filters and oil catch cans. This rust will not happen overnight but it will happen, those living in dryer climates will have to wait a bit longer for the rust to arrive. It will.
In the New Year, I will be starting my own turbo, with stainless steel. Any input to help me along the way is always welcome.
Tried the turbo leafblower with good success, and a helpful member pointed me in the direction of the electric turbo, that won't work out either. You can skip further info about these options but open to all other info. It's been a slice.

 

In a new thread yellowcard21 is asking how to store his Crossfire for 2-3 years, I guess one option is to send it to Corky for a turbo. Maybe, just maybe it will be finished by then and there will have been no storage fees to pay. Mind you sitting in the sun for all that time will have taken the sparkle off the cars finish.

 

I didn't call you anything, let alone a meathead...get your **** straight or let it go....I'm done on this thread...I would refund your money and send you on your way if it were my business...but it's not....building cars is hard enough without adding drama to the mix....

 

OK my mistake SORRY can't we all just get along.

 

Well here is a update for you. After a couple of E-mails I got a reply. Believe what you want out of this. He has been known to be less than truthful before. I did not put my spot up for sale originally because I thought it would be better if everybody ,patiently waiting, moved up a spot. You know what I think of the kit but if anybody is interested in buying my spot, they are more than welcome. This is his response:
Hi Bart,
Without a doubt, it has been too long. Virtually all of the problems have been created by me. Save many attempts to dyno run the XF. We never actually managed that.

These are not short projects, and this one is complicated by two factors:

One; the need to meet the objective price has been a bit less than fun. We’ve more plumbing and pieces in this thing than some $5k systems, yet we have simplified enough items via sublet, and making one part do two things, yet keep the thing in the profit range and not take short cuts. Needless to say, it has been a good exercise for us with regard to simplicity and ease of fabrication. That does not imply fun, rather, just interesting.

Two; the cost to design, tool, make a proto and all the details of instructions drawings, parts lists ………….. is typically $20k. That, in itself is not the problem, rather the level of business this year has plummeted to the point where we do not have the reserves to support a swift and thorough development.

Present status; Oil return system to configure, half the fixtures to fabricate, surface finishes to apply, assembly and testing. Our internal estimate is another 40 hours, or three weeks.

Many details will be sorted on the second proto, as well as instructions and parts.
That vehicle should take us about six to eight weeks considering the present state of our cash.

I would like to wait until we are filling existing orders to make your refund. Yes, we are that tight. One fellow on the list sold his deposit to another. You might try that.

Please do not hesitate to email me directly. I’d be pleased to discuss any matter you choose.:
May I ask where you live?

Regards,
Corky Bell