Bob here is their website and contact info. Powerhaus Performance

This particular car is one of the owners vehicles.

 

Said it before but I'll say it again. That shouldn't be hard to get running well when FI was already in place, but going from an NA to FI isn't going to happen without an appropriate ECU. Don't get people's hopes up when this company hasn't tackled the task those people are looking for.

 

That was exactly the point I was trying to make.."nothing to see here.. move along"..

About as exciting as "we put in a bigger Turbo!".. woohoo..

 

I know Greg, I almost quoted you again lol.

It's about as exciting as someone saying they got a new CAI. Don't get me wrong, it's cool, just not something it would take Eurocharged more than a day to tune.

 

Let's not get all out of whack on this. The issue as I see it is not what has been done but who has the talent and knowledge to do it. Sure it makes sense that moving a SC motor over to a turbo setup seems easier or at least eliminates some of the challenges, but one still runs into many issues from fueling to internals and all the way to cooling. Then there is cost and what people are willing to pay to have things done. From a manufacturer viewpoint its about R&D cost spread over the number of expected units to be sold. If those here are looking for a turn key system I am fairly certain that if they were out there we would have seen them already when that motor was still in heavy distribution.

These guys have the talent to do it and many of the vehicles I have seen come out of that shop are much more potent than when they arrived. We are not talking Honda setups here, they mainly specialize in Euro and GM V8 performance.

 

It could be done, if anyone were bothered enough to follow through... We're talking about a shared platform, with tunable tables. The rest is fabbing and dyno time. If it were marketed to our MB cousins, along with the 3-5% of the some 2,900 SRTs produced, it has a chance. -However unlikely it may be.

But on second thought: I haven't read the entire thread (understandably so) but I'm forced to ask myself, if EC has one, why haven't they developed a kit?

 

I agree that there are still issues, but they're different types of issues. Internal ECU work. If the company you're bringing up were able to do the work I'm talking about then my V8 would've been solved a long time ago with Jim. HDDP wouldn't have needed to go with an aftermarket ECU. Robert wouldn't have needed an entire donor car to pull modules from. The people with non AMG auto V8 swaps wouldn't be starting with a push button every 2-6 tries. An NA to turbo Mercedes would've been done a long time ago...

Who knows, maybe I'm wrong and they can do it. I'm telling you right now though an NA ECU will not work with FI without aftermarket help, and this company better have some serious ME2.8(.1) coding/binary know how if they want it to work factory or even close to factory. It's not just a matter of tuning with these ECU's. It needs to read what's going on differently. There is a reason the AMG ECU's are so different, they monitor so much more than the ME2.8's could and do it more precise.

 

Perfect example, and it's funny too, look at our MAF sensor... Then look at the SRT setup... The NA's are all-in-one get a somewhat close measurement, where as the SRT's are all individually monitored sensors at different pins on the ECU. It's like using a stop watch and a test light vs an oscilliscope to plot data...

 

Bump bump

Merry Christmas to one and all.

Maybe Two weeks

 

Well it's been exactly 2 years since I gave Begi my $200.00 deposit on a build that was going to take, according to his professional estimate, 8 to 10 weeks. I was expecting to have it a year and half ago.
Why do we call this "BEGi Turbo Kit information/discussion thread" ?? We get no information from them, just a bunch a crap from me. You all have a Happy New Year.
Maybe 2 weeks, 2 weeks,2 weeks

 

Hey, maybe 2014 will be the year of the Turbo Crossfire...

 

Wow....DJ my friend. I always thought I was patient in my builds and waiting on parts. But, 2 yrs is a long time to wait. I have been working on the coupe for 3 yrs now, and making progress on each new feature added. But, 2 yrs and no results wouldn't cut for me. Glad you are hanging in there.


As for changing from s/c to turbo.... Bryan, who I really like and respect, has been working on doing just that. He has been working on his build for over 3 yrs as well as I remember. Progressing right along as he has time to work on it. It kicked my butt in the half mile event earlier last year. By about 13-15 mph if I remember correctly. We didn't get to run side by side. Maybe this year we will get to do that.


I know of another member running a rear mounted turbo along with s/c. But I don't know enough about that build to comment.


So, others are experimenting...and I could see another company with MB car knowledge taking this project on. Going to come down to who can build the tuning into the wacked out ECU....communication seems the be the problem...on both the build here and the car talking to it's self...lol

 

That's what is the real boot to the head part here.. a "turbo performance co." can't even manage the hardware package.. God forbid when they hit the ECU aspect.

I guess 5 grand wasn't enough to pay for tubing..

 

Looks like this is tuned the same way the Kleeman kit is. Should work on the 3.2 with a larger pulley.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Custom-Vortech-Supercharger-Kit-For-Mercedes-m112-m113-Engine-AMG-/321283377463?pt=Motors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&hash=item4acdfb4937&vxp=mtr

 

Too bad it's not using an unlocked factory ECU. Not that I'm against the aftermarket fuel management unit's, it's just that I believe Mercedes invested a tad bit more time and money into fuel management than these other companies . lol

If you live in a smog free state, I know of people running this setup and they really like it!

 

Well ChuckNorris, I found all that quite interesting. Thank you.
Close of another business week in a new year and no updates or pictures. Working into our third year soon Whoopee !!. Maybe another 2 weeks, 2 weeks

 

I posted on their facebook page Dec. 14th and still no reply, no updated photos since September on their page.
http://www.facebook.com/BEGI.bellengineering

Doesn't look like anything new on the article on their website either.

BEGi - Articles - Crossfire Turbo System - CP_Crossfire_turbo

Anyone know if they are still in business??

 

Maybe that is the problem. Keeping the doors open.

 

Well here we are at the close of another business week and no updates, pictures, or BS. I see a few members have asked for a update on their Facebook page with no response either. Good work keep the pressure up.
Here is a update from over a year ago when I requested my Deposit returned. That was when they said they had approx. 40 hours work left to do. 40 hours in over a year that never happened.
They need a Time Management Manager. Maybe 2 more years, 2 more years.
Hope all had a Merry Christmas and good New year.



From: Stephanie Turner [mailto:stepht@bellengineering.net]
Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2012 12:02 PM
To: 'Corky Bell'
Subject: FW: refund

Hi Bart,
Without a doubt, it has been too long. Virtually all of the problems have been created by me. Save many attempts to dyno run the XF. We never actually managed that.

These are not short projects, and this one is complicated by two factors:

One; the need to meet the objective price has been a bit less than fun. We’ve more plumbing and pieces in this thing than some $5k systems, yet we have simplified enough items via sublet, and making one part do two things, yet keep the thing in the profit range and not take short cuts. Needless to say, it has been a good exercise for us with regard to simplicity and ease of fabrication. That does not imply fun, rather, just interesting.

Two; the cost to design, tool, make a proto and all the details of instructions drawings, parts lists ………….. is typically $20k. That, in itself is not the problem, rather the level of business this year has plummeted to the point where we do not have the reserves to support a swift and thorough development.

Present status; Oil return system to configure, half the fixtures to fabricate, surface finishes to apply, assembly and testing. Our internal estimate is another 40 hours, or three weeks.

Many details will be sorted on the second proto, as well as instructions and parts.
That vehicle should take us about six to eight weeks considering the present state of our cash.

I would like to wait until we are filling existing orders to make your refund. Yes, we are that tight. One fellow on the list sold his deposit to another. You might try that.

Please do not hesitate to email me directly. I’d be pleased to discuss any matter you choose.

May I ask where you live?

Regards,
Corky Bell

 

If all you want is 285-305 hp for $2500 then how about one of http://www.ebay.com/itm/like/161167426448?lpid=82 (several on eBay) ? 87 PON. Just make sure it has the good heads.