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Old Aug 6, 2023 | 07:06 PM
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I went to look at SRT-6 which was in really good shape except halfway through the test drive this error came up and shut off the super charger. Also the manual shift sport mode was all jacked up like the lever was not centered. Any idea on these 2?

I read it may be a brake wire or wheel speed sensor but not sure on shifter, how is it is supposed to work?
 
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Old Aug 7, 2023 | 08:57 AM
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type dougie, what are you saying: "Also the manual shift sport mode was all jacked up like the lever was not centered".

SRT6 came from factory only with automatic five speed transmissions. There is a rocker switch that is a winter/summer or sport as you call it. Is that what you are referring to? The S is the normal position that gives you all five gears. The W takes away first gear and the car starts out from a stand still in second gear. Designed for better traction on ice and snow.
Are you moving through the automatic transmission gears by tapping the shift lever to the right? Not really sure what you are describing. You can see the gear you are in by looking at the window on the instrument cluster when moving through the gears manually. Sometimes that window can be incorrect as to which gear you are actually in, but if test driving go slowly through the gear changes and the downshifts and it should follow your inputs. When forward driving in automatic it will show D. The SRT6 transmission works exactly the same way as an automatic in a Limited.

An error came up? Did BAS/ESP dash warning light come on? Did you get a DTC read?
 
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Old Aug 7, 2023 | 10:00 AM
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BAS/ESP has nothing to do with the supercharger. That is usually the pump or intercooler. I wish people would take a few minutes to explain their issues more clearly. If the responses were also so general, they would not help, IE check the black wire.
 
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Old Aug 7, 2023 | 10:43 AM
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It appears to me the car has been neglected and I'd suspect the supercharger cut out due to a flaky coolant pump (not water pump for those unfamiliar with that engine).
The BAS light, as we all know, can be any of a handful of things from flaky alternator/battery, open ground from block to chassis, failing alternator, wheel speed sensor, flaky traction control relay/RCM, etc.

The shift lever not being centered? That's a new one on me, but I don't drive autos because the Crossfire "sport mode" is a joke. I do like what the MSS has done with their 'next level' auto tunes, now THAT is impressive. Make his trans tune with his engine tune, and the SRT is a VERY fun car that offers good control over the transmission. I Know, I drove James' demo SRT at last fall's Dragon -it was the first automatic I've driven since 1977 that was fun to drive, and I had cONTROL over the car.

As to that car, Doug: If it's priced right and you have the time, energy, skill and money to bring it back to where is should be, buy it. If you are not wanting to bother with it, go find a car from one of our members that has been cared for well. There are always good SRTs available but not cheap. If you want to pursue that, message me here and I can connect you with one. LIke so many on here, I've been here since 2009 and know where the SRTs are that I'd be comfortable buying. Dean in Nashville just sold one and Lars in GA just sold one (Lars let his go for $10,000 or so).
 
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Old Aug 7, 2023 | 10:45 AM
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Originally Posted by ZERACER
I wish people would take a few minutes to explain their issues more clearly.
I've been borderline insulting with people for several years because of MY frustration with that as well.

"I am NOT standing next to your car, YOU ARE. Do not expect US to work harder at this than YOU DO."

What help? Click here BEFORE you post:
https://www.crossfireforum.org/forum...tech-help.html
 
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Old Aug 7, 2023 | 11:01 AM
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"I am NOT standing next to your car, YOU ARE. Do not expect US to work harder at this than YOU DO

Finally, the obvious is stated!
 
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Old Aug 7, 2023 | 01:39 PM
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So when the car has the shifter in drive, I had to hold it to the left for it to stay in manual gear going down one. So if I was in drive (say 4th) and then took the shifter left it went to 3. if I let go (not pressing it left) it goes back to drive. if I press right it goes back to drive first not holding the gear I was in. so in this scenario 3rd.

The shifter not centered means there was twice as much travel moving the shifter left as there was right. It would not stay in a gear in manual mode and I couldn't find out how it was supposed to work. The dealer said they had worked on replacing something on the transmission so that finally made sense.

They are going to look at the light and the transmission manual (tap right and left not centered or staying in gear issue).

Again I wasn't sure how the tapping side to side was supposed to work. I searched quick but couldn't find out. My other xfire was a 6 speed so I didn't have a reference point other than it did not work as expected.

As for the light it came on after I was driving it pretty hard then it was be on and off and on and off with no rhyme or reason. but I can tell the supercharger was not engaged when it was off because it had an upgraded pulley and you could hear it whine. So to me it felt like limp mode if that is thing.
 
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Old Aug 7, 2023 | 04:18 PM
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type dougie "Again I wasn't sure how the tapping side to side was supposed to work."

First off the lever should be centered with equal movement left- and right+. You should not have to hold the lever to either the - or + to maintain a gear selection.

Tapping the lever to the left- reduces the transmissions range by one but it will not shift if the RPM is too high and damage would occur. That is one example of the shift being limited and the actual gear the transmission is engaged could be different than what the instrument cluster shows. The instrument cluster shows the shift range selected, but not the actual gear the transmission is in. You manual limit the range of the transmission when you tap the lever left, so if you are in 5 going 140 mph and you tap left twice the transmission will be in a 1,2,3 gear range, but it wont go into 3 until those rpms and vehicle speed will allow it with out damaging or loss of control. When you hold the selector to the left- the currently engaged gear in range "D" is indicated in the instrument cluster and the shift range is limited to that gear. Tapping the lever + one time after another increases the range with each tap, but the transmission may not upshift to the gear selected because the vehicle speed and engine rpm simple don't match. Going ten mph in 4 gear won't work. Tapping the selector and holding it to the right + will place the transmission back in "D". Tapping the lever left or right selects the transmission range, not the gear. Hope that makes sense.

From your description it sounds like a problem in the SLA (shift lever assembly). They are not serviceable, but need replacement if not working properly.

Also the selector is very sensitive. You can not keep your hand on it like you would with a standard shift/clutch transmission! With the automatic transmission and using the gear range selection + or - I rest my hand on the console and flick the lever with my thumb or index depending if it is an up or down shift. Body weight movement in the car is enough to move the lever and change shift range even though you haven't knowingly moved your hand.
 

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Old Aug 7, 2023 | 04:45 PM
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When confused, look at the owner manual.
Index of Crossfire problems and repairs - CrossfireForum - The Chrysler Crossfire and SRT6 Resource
 
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Old Aug 7, 2023 | 05:12 PM
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It 100% was not working like this. I've been driving sports cars since I was a teen and i'm pushing 50 had many paddle shifters and something wasn't right. If I didn't hold the **** to the left it automatically went back to D and upshifted. If I held the **** left it stayed in gear and if I tried to somehow 'keep it in the middle' because it was not centered it appeared to work somewhat correctly but it was difficult to do that.

It appeared that if i just tapped it to the left and it stayed in gear and i tapped to the right to go up that is how it should have worked but was not the case. I had both the owner and sales manager say neither of them ever use Manual mode so they couldn't verify it but finally the sales manager after several drives admitted it is both not centered and something didn't seem right. He also said something in the 'shifter' had been worked on recently.
 

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Old Aug 7, 2023 | 05:52 PM
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The car has issues, it is not worth $25,000 and, as I told you in a PM, that Chrysler dealer cannot fix whats wrong because he has no factory support to call on.
And what they did to those beautiful SRT wheels is not forgivable.
 
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Old Aug 8, 2023 | 02:40 PM
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I seem to recall a thread in the not to distant pass about a shifter not being centered correctly and causing problems. It was adjustable and recentering corrected the problem. Sorry for being vague, that’s all I remember.
 
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Old Aug 8, 2023 | 04:30 PM
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It is more than likely that the shift lever was disassembled and then re-assembled WITHOUT compensating for the off-center preload.

here is an excerpt from the Paddle shifter kit instructions (which I wrote : ) that covers this

"As you re-install the four (4) screws that hold the shifter top on, be aware that internal shift lever preload will tend to make the top half of the shifter want to settle to the driver’s side during re-assembly if not positioned in “D”. So, it is best if you put the shifter in “D” before you tighten the securing screws AND line up the securing screws with the indentations they made (in the plastic) during the original assembly process (as a reference for proper positioning)."

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Old Aug 8, 2023 | 11:36 PM
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Thanks for this response.
 
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