It will all fit under hood, just have to make heat shields or wrap. The remote mount is out of the question for me. I know they work but not how I want it to. And you have to have an additional oil pump to pull the oil from the turbo back to the motor.
Right now I am thinking single garrett that will flow 35-40 lbs/min @1.8bar. Should get a quick spool and still have some top end. Could use a larger turbo for the manual tranny cars. New manifolds are going to easily outflow my current plenum/no runner setup.
What are your ideas about turbo selection? Remember I'm trying to keep everything under the hood so I'm looking at internally wategated options first.

 

i am all for a turbo and enjoy the ease of being able to swap it out in size to upgrade as we need, i would like a nice sized turbo which will offer a decent spoolup but good topend kick. I realize turbo will make its power in the higher part of the rpm. I am worried about this post about a twin turbo setup but they weren't able to have the car running due to ecu issues. Will we run into this are we going to need a piggy back or can we just send it in for tuning. I would like to add a boost controller.

 

i was reading this on another forum for mx-6 about water to air intercooler versus air to air

"there great for more drag only situations, but they tend to get heat soaked quickly if your car is a daily driver. i deal with air to water set ups litterally daily, and most of the time we try to convert them over to a air to air for reliability purposes.

but its all personal preference. and its totally up to you what you run."

other argue and show the benefits but say there is more parts in a water to air setup

http://www.mx6.com/forums/2g-mx6-for...oler-kits.html

 

so your no longer going with the supercharger setup at all? what would be the new release date? did you ever get the car on a dyno with the SC?

 

did i miss something? chuck, i thought you were testing a specific system and design, were working on a sales packabe and getting together performance numbers. has this agenda changed?

 

Well Chuck for me its about the numbers not the look as far as setup. Seeing as I just put the car away for the winter and really don't have the expendable income for this right now its all in the plannig phase. In the 2x turbo thread they said that STS had sold a remote kit for a CF. I believe they posted pics too. My goal is really only 300 at the wheels reliably. I'm not worried about breaking something. Consider it the cost of R&D I suppose. Or maybe since I come from a DSM/EVO backround where things either don't break or they cost 200 bucks to fix.

 

I find it strange you're at completion of the supercharger kit and for some reason you stop the project all together to go another route. Would it really be more beneficially to start all over from scratch?

 

I would have gone this route initially had I known there was enough room. The engine compartment is deceiving with all the stock components in place. I chose the supercharger because it took less space than the factory intake manifold and I knew the linear output would be easily tunable(not to mention I had it from a previous project). The turbo is sooo much better an option and it will stand out from the already supercharged SRT6. With the supercharger, as engine speed increases so does the power requirement from the supercharger and efficiency drops, the horsepower curve plateaus abruptly. So far the increased low end torque has only made it hard to retain traction. I look forward to a little lag and than pull hard all the way to redline. Not to mention I'll be able to change boost with a twist of a valve. The hard part in all of this was not the fabrication anyway. It was figuring out how to make it work without throwing cels and hitting fuelcut and getting the right timing and AFR. Look at the TT crossfire and tell me why a project of that monetary caliber failed. The project isn't ending, its just evolving into what it should have been in the first place.

 

If you have the SC kit complete, sell it. And sell a Turbo kit. Believe me there are people for both camps.

 

Um...internally wastegated? For 40 lb/min at 1.8 bar? Ever heard of boost creep? Unless you're running a T4 hotside, that's a dangerous combination.

Without knowing where you're planning to actually put the turbo, I could suggest anything from dual GT28RS to GT35R, GT35 journal, GT40R, GT4088 journal, etc. the list goes on forever.

 

For sure! or maybe TVT'll buy the design from you *nudge nudge anthony*

 

Luckily I think that if anyone has shown the dedication to pull this off it's chuck.
But the build will have to move to a different thread now

 

TURBO! HELL YEAH!
Turbos are ,by far, greater then Superchargers!

 

I'm actually a member of the SC camp myself. If its a turbo I like really small ones...not a fan of turbo lag.

TQ > HP In my opinion.

But that's what TVT was saying, people would buy both.

 

I'm def in the turbo camp. Like Chuck said a little lag doesn't hurt. I like the remote kit because it keeps the enigine bay clean and looking stock for the sleeper look. Plus from what I read it keeps the underhood temps way down. Cooler air = more power! Ha but to each his own. I want to thank Chuck for this thread tho. Simply for all the imformation there is.

 

so time out... is the thread moving or not...i think it should stay here

 

For a choice of turbos its gonna be in the 50 to 60 trim area, not exactly sure which yet. Keep in mind i'm going for the remote setup. By the Chuck how much boost do you plan on running ? I've been told by a friend that I should be able to do 8psi without needing an intercooler. I know our setups are different of course. But the guys in the local tuner scene seem to think that management as we all know is going to be the sticking point. I don't mind running into roadblocks. I want to get a clear answer out there as to what happens exactly when you get this setup. Sooner or later someone is going to crack the ecu and then it will be downhill from there. Oh and I might solve the oil problem with the remote set up with going with a ball bearing turbo. It'll handle abuse better too.

 

hasn't CODE 3 been working on a turbo kit for the c32?

 

oh man sucks to see your not finishing up this project and offering it to the public.... but im sure a properly working turbo kit with the correct price will sell like hot pancakes (C320, CLK320, E320, ML320, SLK320, Crossfire..)

 

im all for whatever is cheaper and the best bang for my buck. i would think turbo but hey whatever gets me running low 13's or high12's on an N/A HELL YEAH!! lol. and im wondering about how much cost would be here. thats whats really gonna hurt i think.