Thanks tighed1! I usually don't pull major harnesses like that with the battery connected, I saw a u tube vid where a guy was leaving the batt connected and just yanked it out.


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Sorry I did not update what has been going on, but finally got it running. Checked the gas line pressure, found them to be low. The fuel pump was getting power but not working and put a new pump in and the car starts like a champ...Called the dealership and spoke to the service department head mechanic and asked why no one thought about checking the fuel pump and she looked at the file and said well I guess my mechanic did not check it. She says she will be reimbursing me for the charges. I will believe it when I see the check. So now to other issues...I got the spoiler to go down once the car started. Have not had the chance to take it on a test drive and so will wait to see if goes up and down like it is supposed to. My issues now involve the back window falling out and whether there is an easy fix to this, and also the top not working. Any thoughts would be appreciated.

 

Any veteran member here knows better. Reason #1 why my sigline warns about dealers.

The car went out of production thirteen years ago, made by a merger that no longer exists; reason #2 my sigline warns about dealers.

Reason #3 to never take ANY car to a dealer - dealer service departments are no longer competent places to obtain vehicle service.

Reglue the window in place. Many of us have done it. Most who did it, myself included, eventually replaced the top. But go ahead, give it a try.
I did mine FOUR TIMES before I finally gave up.

BAS in the UK makes NICE tops for around $750, delivered to the USA. Mine was replaced in a condo parking lot by forum members.

 

Seems that replacing the top is the way to go for the window issue...however still concerned as to why the top will not retract. I think I need to fix that first before replacing the top.... I do not know if it related but I did notice tonight that the radio is not working either. I am not sure if there is a connection between the two issues.

 

You don't want to hear my thoughts. You want advice.

We must start from the top. I looked, didn't find where you described what is going on with the top, other than "doesn't work". (If you did, I missed it.)

We need way more background on what it's doing.

Did it ever work since you have had the car?
What led up to it not working, did you change the car's battery?
Did you leave the top down or trunk open in the rain?
Have you noticed any fluid leaks?
Does the button LED blinik?
Is the LED always on?
Does the dash panel 'beep' at you when you hit the button?
Does it beep randomly at times?

Tell us what is going on.

If you want to learn about the top system, I offer this:
https://www.crossfireforum.org/forum...p-sensors.html

Also, if the top lost sync, just re-sync it, use this manual procedure, put top up and down COMPLETELY three times with engine running - if it works after that, it was just a loss of sync, which happens from time to time:
https://www.crossfireforum.org/forum...operation.html


Most "Top Threads" are here,if you'd like to read and read and read (which is how any of us who know anything have learned what we have learned, you are welcome to our libraries! ):
https://www.crossfireforum.org/forum...fire-roadster/

 

Doubtful. VERY much doubtful, unless you let the car sit in the rain with the trunk/top open. Top issues and sound system issues are common, our cars are over fifteen years old, on average.

 

[QUOTE=pizzaguy;953333]You don't want to hear my thoughts. You want advice.

We must start from the top. I looked, didn't find where you described what is going on with the top, other than "doesn't work". (If you did, I missed it.)

We need way more background on what it's doing.

Did it ever work since you have had the car?Bought the car "new" Got it with 12 miles on the odometer but at almost half price because of a battery issue...the trunk latch did not turn off the light and so the battery kept on dying. In any case the top stopped working in the last year or so but do not remember when Car has only 9000 miles on it so do not use it much. The stoppage was not associated with anything I know of. It has been in a garage for the last few years and got some moisture in it during hurricane irma with some mold but it was working fine after irma and was driven a few times after that.. So the top stopped retracting probably two or so years ago.
What led up to it not working, did you change the car's battery? Have changed the battery numerous times. The Florida heat is not nice to batteries. There is a possibility that it stopped working in association with a battery change but not sure because never associated the two.
Did you leave the top down or trunk open in the rain? No. Only issue was some moisture after hurricane irma. There was no gross flooding but the car was in a lot of moisture and because I was not in the house for about 6 months it had a mold issue which is corrected except for some staininig.
Have you noticed any fluid leaks? No
Does the button LED blinik? Blinks when I push it and stops blinking when I let go
Is the LED always on? Yes unless I push the button and then it blinks
Does the dash panel 'beep' at you when you hit the button? Just one beep when I push the button
Does it beep randomly at times? No



Tell us what is going on.

If you want to learn about the top system, I offer this:
https://www.crossfireforum.org/forum...p-sensors.html

Also, if the top lost sync, just re-sync it, use this manual procedure, put top up and down COMPLETELY three times with engine running - if it works after that, it was just a loss of sync, which happens from time to time:
https://www.crossfireforum.org/forum...operation.html Noticed an about less than 1 cm gap between the top and the car where it hooks in...will do the manual procedure tomorrow and see if it helps.


Most "Top Threads" are here,if you'd like to read and read and read (which is how any of us who know anything have learned what we have learned, you are welcome to our libraries! ):
https://www.crossfireforum.org/forum...fire-roadster/ Will read in AM.

Thanks

Doug

 

The light on usually means that the cycle did not complete, the last time the top was moved. I'd start the engine, and put the top up and down manually, completely, three times. See if that clears it.

This talk of 'mold' really bothers me. It takes a lot of moisture to grow mold. Almost to the point where there could be corroded connectors, but let's not go there, yet.
To the manual top resync I speak of and see what you get.

ALSO, try this (either before the three manual times, or after):
With engine running, windows up and top up, turn "D" handle, do windows go down?

 

Sorry windows go down...

 

This means:

The headliner switch is OK.
The Top Control Module is OK and is talking to the Body Module just fine.

But again, the light staying on implies a sensor somewhere is indicating that the cycle did not complete the last time you moved the top. IT can also mean the Top Module is insane, but given how the windows go down, I doubt that.

Time to do a resync, we can go from there.

 

Thanks. Will do tomorrow and see if it works...Thanks for everything...will keep you updated.

 

I have one for sale, make me an offer

 

You have posted this in at least two threads: "I have one for sale...", but you fail to make it clear what you are trying to sell.

You will have better results if you tells us EXACTLY what you are selling.
DO not go by just the title, we are no longer discussing the PCM (which was not bad, of course) we are now discussing a top issue.
Are you trying to sell him your top?

 

I have a PCM for sale if you are interested, contact me in the forum or you can text me at 702-445-5696

 

Pizzaguy...

It took three tries of three to do it, but it worked. The first set of three did nothing. Then thought maybe it was because I did not have the engine on...you know how that went...thought I screwed up the car. Tried another set of three again with the car off. The latch for the back of the top disengaged but nothing else. Figure I would try a third set of three as I had nothing to lose and was getting at least some results. After the third rotation turned the windshield latch but the windows did not go down! Was worried but figured that it would not hurt if I just put down the windows and tired again and it worked perfectly. Not sure why it happened this way but in the end it worked. Cycled through it about six times and it seems to be working fine though the first two time the front of the top came down by gravity and not controlled and so on the third and fourth I supported it and then the fifth time it seemed to be under better control...Anyhow I now have a working top, a working spoiler, and a partially working Crossfire.

Next issue is the rear window...what process would you recommend on gluing the window back on.

Thanks again

Doug

 

I dont know how you missed it, but you must have the engine running to re-sync the top, without the system powered up, the TCM is not "awake" to learn anything.

Now, as to the window, I recommend you replace the top with a BAS top from the UK. I reglued my window four times in four years and will never bother with it again, other than for an emergency repair.

But some people have good experiences with re-gluing a top, here is a video by a forum member, Greg who seems to have the patience to do this right, I don't:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JgN2...ature=youtu.be

 

Pizzaguy:

For some reason your response is not appearing on my computer for the forum though I got an email of it. In any case, I did try to do it with the engine on as well as with the ignition in the start position. Both times I was unable to move the top, I am assuming because the hydraulics were still on, and originally thought I really messed up. Once I turned the car off all was good. Not sure why it eventually worked, but something worked, and I am not going to argue with success at this point. Now my next job is the glue the window on, if that does not work then I will buy a new top. Any suggestions on a technique?

Thanks.

Doug

 

The link should show up now.

 

I ordered a Relay Control Module from Needswings a week or two ago. Last Sunday, my engine shut down on the way to church. After about 5 minutes I was able to restart and went on to church. When I pulled into my driveway it shut down again. I tried restarting every couple of hours for the following week. I disconnected the battery, installed the new RCM, and the car immediately refired . . . no problems for the past couple of days. This week I will re-solder my old RCM, check to make sure it is now working, and will have a spare. During the week I never could here the fuel pump activating, so I now also have a spare pump and spare filter. It was disappointing to have these problems. I had planned on attending a gathering of Crossfires next month in Tennessee, but parts for the car had to come first.

 

First:
Keep in mind that the fractured solder issue with the RCMs is no longer the only RCM issue - relays are failing at an ever increasing rate. I bought new RCM a year ago when my ECR coil failed. Sent my old RCM to DJ and it came back with all new relays, key-off horn mod and reflowed solder.

Second:
I hate to see new people on her make such an awful mistake - and that's what you are doing, Ive been here fourteen years, and I will tell you ONE thing, I went to the fall TN meet less than three months after buying my first car.

This is how it is: If you are new to Crossfires, going to that meet will do more for your understanding of the car and it's characteristic troubles than you know. I know of three top-tier tech guys who will attend, spending 1/2 hour with them and telling them what's going on will do more for you than you resoldering an RCM.

You don't know the first thing about your car, you should GO. Now, go ahead, read some of my posts from 2009 on here, see how ignorant I was. I learned a LOT from MEETS and the people there. Isolating yourself is a mistake when the BIGGEST meet of the year in this country is so close to you. Not only that, it's FUN and first-timers are noticed, we know when someone new shows up and I HOPE we do a good job of reaching out and making you part of the group. Come Sunday, when people start to leave (I stay till Monday when I can), you will start to wish it was not over so fast.

And if the car quits while at the meet, you have more support there than anywhere else. At one meet, I got a new top put on for the cost of breakfast for two guys: