Top convertible problem
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Top convertible problem
Hi im new to this forum and this is my first post, but i have about a month im looking at post and very great solutions from members here. i have a 05 roadster and since i got it i been having problems with the convertible top first 2 of the cylinders were leaking and found the solution from another member from here and thanks to Top Hydraulics i got my cylinders back and they are awesome but i have a bit of a problem, hope anyone can help me with this.
i just installed the cylinders and they are very good they have no leaks from anywhere they work awesome, but I have a problem with the hydraulic pump at least I think I have let me tell you a bit of the story.
we just finish the installation of the cylinders make all the connections and everything was good, we fold the top on the compartment and make sure everything was ok, we close the top with the special tool and then we try to operate the top by the controls and I hear the pump working but it never release the latch of the tonneaucover then we release the latch manually and obviously it wont work because of the micro-switch sensing something is wrong, then we open the cover of the top and push again the button and I hear the pump trying to work again but then it doesn’t work it wont lift the top but if we help it a bit it will rise to when is about to close an then it will stop because it wont lift the last part of the top the one that has the glass on it. that’s when we are stuck because it wont sense at all the glass part is up and wont take the cover top back down can that be the hydraulic pump? or may be is there something else wrong
also we put the top up and close everything we close the latch of the tonneau cover as well as the latch of the window, and the front of the top by turning the handle on its place, and when i press the button it does nothing the led is blinking as it weresomething wrong
Thanks
i just installed the cylinders and they are very good they have no leaks from anywhere they work awesome, but I have a problem with the hydraulic pump at least I think I have let me tell you a bit of the story.
we just finish the installation of the cylinders make all the connections and everything was good, we fold the top on the compartment and make sure everything was ok, we close the top with the special tool and then we try to operate the top by the controls and I hear the pump working but it never release the latch of the tonneaucover then we release the latch manually and obviously it wont work because of the micro-switch sensing something is wrong, then we open the cover of the top and push again the button and I hear the pump trying to work again but then it doesn’t work it wont lift the top but if we help it a bit it will rise to when is about to close an then it will stop because it wont lift the last part of the top the one that has the glass on it. that’s when we are stuck because it wont sense at all the glass part is up and wont take the cover top back down can that be the hydraulic pump? or may be is there something else wrong
also we put the top up and close everything we close the latch of the tonneau cover as well as the latch of the window, and the front of the top by turning the handle on its place, and when i press the button it does nothing the led is blinking as it weresomething wrong
Thanks
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Re: Top convertible problem
Hi im new to this forum and this is my first post, but i have about a month im looking at post and very great solutions from members here. i have a 05 roadster and since i got it i been having problems with the convertible top first 2 of the cylinders were leaking and found the solution from another member from here and thanks to Top Hydraulics i got my cylinders back and they are awesome but i have a bit of a problem, hope anyone can help me with this.
i just installed the cylinders and they are very good they have no leaks from anywhere they work awesome, but I have a problem with the hydraulic pump at least I think I have let me tell you a bit of the story.
we just finish the installation of the cylinders make all the connections and everything was good, we fold the top on the compartment and make sure everything was ok, we close the top with the special tool and then we try to operate the top by the controls and I hear the pump working but it never release the latch of the tonneaucover then we release the latch manually and obviously it wont work because of the micro-switch sensing something is wrong, then we open the cover of the top and push again the button and I hear the pump trying to work again but then it doesn’t work it wont lift the top but if we help it a bit it will rise to when is about to close an then it will stop because it wont lift the last part of the top the one that has the glass on it. that’s when we are stuck because it wont sense at all the glass part is up and wont take the cover top back down can that be the hydraulic pump? or may be is there something else wrong
also we put the top up and close everything we close the latch of the tonneau cover as well as the latch of the window, and the front of the top by turning the handle on its place, and when i press the button it does nothing the led is blinking as it weresomething wrong
Thanks
i just installed the cylinders and they are very good they have no leaks from anywhere they work awesome, but I have a problem with the hydraulic pump at least I think I have let me tell you a bit of the story.
we just finish the installation of the cylinders make all the connections and everything was good, we fold the top on the compartment and make sure everything was ok, we close the top with the special tool and then we try to operate the top by the controls and I hear the pump working but it never release the latch of the tonneaucover then we release the latch manually and obviously it wont work because of the micro-switch sensing something is wrong, then we open the cover of the top and push again the button and I hear the pump trying to work again but then it doesn’t work it wont lift the top but if we help it a bit it will rise to when is about to close an then it will stop because it wont lift the last part of the top the one that has the glass on it. that’s when we are stuck because it wont sense at all the glass part is up and wont take the cover top back down can that be the hydraulic pump? or may be is there something else wrong
also we put the top up and close everything we close the latch of the tonneau cover as well as the latch of the window, and the front of the top by turning the handle on its place, and when i press the button it does nothing the led is blinking as it weresomething wrong
Thanks
I know nothing about these tops but how much fluid did you lose and did you replace it?
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Re: Top convertible problem
There is a top reset procedure.
ANd have you read this.
https://www.crossfireforum.org/forum...-problems.html
ANd have you read this.
https://www.crossfireforum.org/forum...-problems.html
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From: El Paso TX
Re: Top convertible problem
There is a top reset procedure.
ANd have you read this.
https://www.crossfireforum.org/forum...-problems.html
ANd have you read this.
https://www.crossfireforum.org/forum...-problems.html
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From: El Paso TX
Re: Top convertible problem
i already disconnect the battery for about an hour and still the same
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Re: Top convertible problem
also another thing i notice was that when the top its in the closed position i mean secure in the windshield and all doors closed windows up and the car with the engine on i press the button and the windows wont go down, actually the light on the button is blinking not steady... i have a lot of problems then 
maybe the module is bad has anyone had one before gone bad????
maybe the module is bad has anyone had one before gone bad????
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Re: Top convertible problem
I asked if you have enough oil in the system in post #2 and no answer so I will not ask if you still have air in the system. I'll leave that to someone else to ask.
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Re: Top convertible problem
also another thing i notice was that when the top its in the closed position i mean secure in the windshield and all doors closed windows up and the car with the engine on i press the button and the windows wont go down, actually the light on the button is blinking not steady... i have a lot of problems then maybe the module is bad has anyone had one before gone bad????
maybe the module is bad has anyone had one before gone bad????Do your windows go down if you unlatch the top with the ignition on ? ( They should, if they don't, then check the front bow switch that is on the right hand latch assembly )
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From: El Paso TX
Re: Top convertible problem
im sorry i didnt answer that one! yes i do have enough oil in the system actually the i check it out before i try to operate the top, and the leak from the cylinder was minimum a few drops form within the shaft, Top Hydraulics fix those cylinders and as for the how i refill the pump i refill it with a hose and opening the screw on the side of the reservoir.
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Re: Top convertible problem
Pretty slick, Dave. You ask without asking ......
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Re: Top convertible problem
and as for air on the system ammm really dont know probably i do but i really dont know how to purge it
really dont know probably i do but i really dont know how to purge it
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Re: Top convertible problem
Hi....New to the site..Love to have some help.....Having trouble with my conv. top not working. It seems to be trying, so I checked the oil res. and found fluid below the min. mark. no evidence of leaking.
couple of questions:
Doesn't look easy to get the oil in the res. without getting it everywhere else??? suggestions??
Chrylsler says it needs right cyl. ram and not one to be found in country....wouldn't they make sure the res. was filled before needing a new cyl??
Also was told I'm out of luck and can't operate it manually??? what?? No help there. So I've been researching and tried to manually operate but am scared to break something. I'm not sure the hydraulic pressure is being released before I attempt a manual override. I did follow all procedures, but like I said am gun shy about really wreckiing something.
From what I've heard.....the hydraulic oil in this system is the same as the power steering system oil???
Is this correct??
I know this is alot....but cant find my exact problem on this site..so I may be flying solo.
Thanks to anyone who could give some insight.
John L
couple of questions:
Doesn't look easy to get the oil in the res. without getting it everywhere else??? suggestions??
Chrylsler says it needs right cyl. ram and not one to be found in country....wouldn't they make sure the res. was filled before needing a new cyl??
Also was told I'm out of luck and can't operate it manually??? what?? No help there. So I've been researching and tried to manually operate but am scared to break something. I'm not sure the hydraulic pressure is being released before I attempt a manual override. I did follow all procedures, but like I said am gun shy about really wreckiing something.
From what I've heard.....the hydraulic oil in this system is the same as the power steering system oil???
Is this correct??
I know this is alot....but cant find my exact problem on this site..so I may be flying solo.
Thanks to anyone who could give some insight.
John L
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From: El Paso TX
Re: Top convertible problem
Hi....New to the site..Love to have some help.....Having trouble with my conv. top not working. It seems to be trying, so I checked the oil res. and found fluid below the min. mark. no evidence of leaking.
couple of questions:
Doesn't look easy to get the oil in the res. without getting it everywhere else??? suggestions??
Chrylsler says it needs right cyl. ram and not one to be found in country....wouldn't they make sure the res. was filled before needing a new cyl??
Also was told I'm out of luck and can't operate it manually??? what?? No help there. So I've been researching and tried to manually operate but am scared to break something. I'm not sure the hydraulic pressure is being released before I attempt a manual override. I did follow all procedures, but like I said am gun shy about really wreckiing something.
From what I've heard.....the hydraulic oil in this system is the same as the power steering system oil???
Is this correct??
I know this is alot....but cant find my exact problem on this site..so I may be flying solo.
Thanks to anyone who could give some insight.
John L
couple of questions:
Doesn't look easy to get the oil in the res. without getting it everywhere else??? suggestions??
Chrylsler says it needs right cyl. ram and not one to be found in country....wouldn't they make sure the res. was filled before needing a new cyl??
Also was told I'm out of luck and can't operate it manually??? what?? No help there. So I've been researching and tried to manually operate but am scared to break something. I'm not sure the hydraulic pressure is being released before I attempt a manual override. I did follow all procedures, but like I said am gun shy about really wreckiing something.
From what I've heard.....the hydraulic oil in this system is the same as the power steering system oil???
Is this correct??
I know this is alot....but cant find my exact problem on this site..so I may be flying solo.
Thanks to anyone who could give some insight.
John L
Hi first welcome to the forum
and as far as your questions... to get to the oil reservoir is not that hard at least for me it wasn't that hard.
to release the pressure of the system just get in to the car, insert your key turn it to the run position, and then press down the convertible top WITHOUT releasing the button, turn your key again to the OFF position and still pressing the button at least 3 to 5 more seconds. then the pressure is released and you can operate the top without concern you will broke anything.....
and as far as the oil i was told that is the same as the steering system to fill out the reservoir i release the pressure of the system then try to get the top down and you need a friend to help you on this as the top wont stay in the middle an you need a friend to help you leave it there and lift the tonneau cover and from the driver side with the top in the middle and the tonneau cover up yo can get access to the oil reservoir easy..
hope it helps
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Re: Top convertible problem
I just took my cross to the dealership and its been there for 2 days and they told me all my microswitch are good and my motor is good as well they will remove the top to review it. hope its noting bad :S
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Re: Top convertible problem
STANDARD PROCEDURE - RELIEVING HYDRAULIC PRESSURE
Note: The hydraulic pressure must be relieved before the top can manually be raised or lowered.
1. Turn the ignition to the “ON” position.
2. Push down on the convertible top switch and hold in that position.
3. Turn the ignition “OFF” and continue to push down on the switch 5 seconds.
4. After 5 seconds the hydraulic system pressure will be relieved.
Note: The hydraulic pressure must be relieved before the top can manually be raised or lowered.
1. Turn the ignition to the “ON” position.
2. Push down on the convertible top switch and hold in that position.
3. Turn the ignition “OFF” and continue to push down on the switch 5 seconds.
4. After 5 seconds the hydraulic system pressure will be relieved.
STANDARD PROCEDURE - MANUALLY LOWER TOP
Note: The pressure from the top hydraulic system
must be relieved before attempting to manually
lower top (Refer to 23 - BODY/CONVERTIBLE TOP
- STANDARD PROCEDURE).
Note: Make sure the rear cargo compartment divider is secured in its vertical position.
1. Lower the windows and open the doors.
2. Unlock the top from the windshield header by pushing the release handle button, pulling the handle down and turning it clockwise just past a quarter turn.
3. Push up on the convertible top release handle to create a gap between the header and top of approximately 8 inches (200 mm).
Once the top is free, rotate the release handle back to its stored position.
4. Open the trunk and unlock the rear bow by inserting an 5 MM allen wrench into the rear bow latch (1) and turning counterclockwise.
5. Close the trunk.
6. Lift up on the rear bow and secure in the vertical position.
7. Insert the multifunction tool (supplied with vehicle) into gap in front of the tonneau cover and rotate counterclockwise until the tonneau cover is released.
8. Lift the tonneau cover up and support in the vertical position.
9. Lower the top assembly into the top storage compartment.
10. Lower the tonneau cover.
11. Insert the multifunction tool (supplied with vehicle) into gap in front of the tonneau cover and rotate clockwise until the tonneau cover is locked.
Note: The pressure from the top hydraulic system
must be relieved before attempting to manually
lower top (Refer to 23 - BODY/CONVERTIBLE TOP
- STANDARD PROCEDURE).
Note: Make sure the rear cargo compartment divider is secured in its vertical position.
1. Lower the windows and open the doors.
2. Unlock the top from the windshield header by pushing the release handle button, pulling the handle down and turning it clockwise just past a quarter turn.
3. Push up on the convertible top release handle to create a gap between the header and top of approximately 8 inches (200 mm).
Once the top is free, rotate the release handle back to its stored position.
4. Open the trunk and unlock the rear bow by inserting an 5 MM allen wrench into the rear bow latch (1) and turning counterclockwise.
5. Close the trunk.
6. Lift up on the rear bow and secure in the vertical position.
7. Insert the multifunction tool (supplied with vehicle) into gap in front of the tonneau cover and rotate counterclockwise until the tonneau cover is released.
8. Lift the tonneau cover up and support in the vertical position.
9. Lower the top assembly into the top storage compartment.
10. Lower the tonneau cover.
11. Insert the multifunction tool (supplied with vehicle) into gap in front of the tonneau cover and rotate clockwise until the tonneau cover is locked.
STANDARD PROCEDURE - MANUALLY RAISE TOP
1. Lower the windows and open the doors.
2. Insert the multifunction tool (supplied with vehicle) into gap in front of the tonneau cover and rotate counterclockwise until the tonneau cover is released.
3. Lift the tonneau cover up and support in the vertical position.
Note: Do not let go of the convertible top as it may fall back into the cargo compartment area.
4. Pull up on the upper section of the convertible top to move it out of its storage area until top is fully extended.
5. Lift the rear bow until it is in its vertical position.
CAUTION: The tonneau cover flaps will automatically
extend while lowering the tonneau cover. The flaps can be damaged if not allowed to extend automatically.
6. Lower the tonneau cover.
7. Insert the multifunction tool (supplied with vehicle) into gap in front of the tonneau cover and rotate clockwise until the tonneau cover is locked.
8. Lower the rear bow into the tonneau cover.
9. Open the trunk and lock the rear bow by inserting an 5MM allen wrench into the rear bow latch (1) and turning counterclockwise.
10. Press the button on the release handle and fold down.
11. Turn the release just past one quarter turn clockwise and pull the convertible top frame carefully down until it meets the windshield header attachment points.
12. Turn the release handle counterclockwise to the stop in order to lock the convertible top.
13. Fold the latch handle up until the release button engages. The convertible top is now locked onto the windshield header.
1. Lower the windows and open the doors.
2. Insert the multifunction tool (supplied with vehicle) into gap in front of the tonneau cover and rotate counterclockwise until the tonneau cover is released.
3. Lift the tonneau cover up and support in the vertical position.
Note: Do not let go of the convertible top as it may fall back into the cargo compartment area.
4. Pull up on the upper section of the convertible top to move it out of its storage area until top is fully extended.
5. Lift the rear bow until it is in its vertical position.
CAUTION: The tonneau cover flaps will automatically
extend while lowering the tonneau cover. The flaps can be damaged if not allowed to extend automatically.
6. Lower the tonneau cover.
7. Insert the multifunction tool (supplied with vehicle) into gap in front of the tonneau cover and rotate clockwise until the tonneau cover is locked.
8. Lower the rear bow into the tonneau cover.
9. Open the trunk and lock the rear bow by inserting an 5MM allen wrench into the rear bow latch (1) and turning counterclockwise.
10. Press the button on the release handle and fold down.
11. Turn the release just past one quarter turn clockwise and pull the convertible top frame carefully down until it meets the windshield header attachment points.
12. Turn the release handle counterclockwise to the stop in order to lock the convertible top.
13. Fold the latch handle up until the release button engages. The convertible top is now locked onto the windshield header.
The fluid :
FLUID
DESCRIPTION
The Convertible Top Power Top Hydraulic Assembly and Reservoir are filled at the factory with Pentosin CHF 11S.
Use Pentosin CHF 11S, Mopar part number 05127381AA. Pump noise and reduced component life may result if an unapproved fluid is used.
DESCRIPTION
The Convertible Top Power Top Hydraulic Assembly and Reservoir are filled at the factory with Pentosin CHF 11S.
Use Pentosin CHF 11S, Mopar part number 05127381AA. Pump noise and reduced component life may result if an unapproved fluid is used.
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Re: Top convertible problem
John
Hi first welcome to the forum
and as far as your questions... to get to the oil reservoir is not that hard at least for me it wasn't that hard.
to release the pressure of the system just get in to the car, insert your key turn it to the run position, and then press down the convertible top WITHOUT releasing the button, turn your key again to the OFF position and still pressing the button at least 3 to 5 more seconds. then the pressure is released and you can operate the top without concern you will broke anything.....
and as far as the oil i was told that is the same as the steering system to fill out the reservoir i release the pressure of the system then try to get the top down and you need a friend to help you on this as the top wont stay in the middle an you need a friend to help you leave it there and lift the tonneau cover and from the driver side with the top in the middle and the tonneau cover up yo can get access to the oil reservoir easy..
hope it helps
Hi first welcome to the forum
and as far as your questions... to get to the oil reservoir is not that hard at least for me it wasn't that hard.
to release the pressure of the system just get in to the car, insert your key turn it to the run position, and then press down the convertible top WITHOUT releasing the button, turn your key again to the OFF position and still pressing the button at least 3 to 5 more seconds. then the pressure is released and you can operate the top without concern you will broke anything.....
and as far as the oil i was told that is the same as the steering system to fill out the reservoir i release the pressure of the system then try to get the top down and you need a friend to help you on this as the top wont stay in the middle an you need a friend to help you leave it there and lift the tonneau cover and from the driver side with the top in the middle and the tonneau cover up yo can get access to the oil reservoir easy..
hope it helps
I did all those steps and tried to release the back of window with allen wrench, and found quite a bit of resistance...didn't want to really create a nightmare. As far as oil...I did hear the same as power steering also. Just want to be sure. Love this car and want it to work.
Thanks again.
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From: El Paso TX
Re: Top convertible problem
Thanks....As far as hard to get to.. not too. getting oil in it without everywhere else?? not sure?.
I did all those steps and tried to release the back of window with allen wrench, and found quite a bit of resistance...didn't want to really create a nightmare. As far as oil...I did hear the same as power steering also. Just want to be sure. Love this car and want it to work.
Thanks again.
I did all those steps and tried to release the back of window with allen wrench, and found quite a bit of resistance...didn't want to really create a nightmare. As far as oil...I did hear the same as power steering also. Just want to be sure. Love this car and want it to work.
Thanks again.
The latch of the window has a bit of resistance but as far as you make the turn to the right direction you'll be fine.
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From: Tampa Clearwater area
Re: Top convertible problem
Thanks....As far as hard to get to.. not too. getting oil in it without everywhere else?? not sure?.
I did all those steps and tried to release the back of window with allen wrench, and found quite a bit of resistance...didn't want to really create a nightmare. As far as oil...I did hear the same as power steering also. Just want to be sure. Love this car and want it to work.
Thanks again.
I did all those steps and tried to release the back of window with allen wrench, and found quite a bit of resistance...didn't want to really create a nightmare. As far as oil...I did hear the same as power steering also. Just want to be sure. Love this car and want it to work.
Thanks again.
Thanks again....I'm having trouble with operating this site.... not sure if you're getting my replies...but the whole bunch of info I got from you is awesome.... I really do appreciate it.
John L
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Re: Top convertible problem
I have put my top up and down many times... if you have not tried the button in 10 minutes, there is no pressure to release, and NO, I don't care what the manual says.
Within ten minutes of moving the top, the pressure is released if the cycle does not complete. If the cycle completes, the last thing that happens is that the pressure is released. If not, we'd all have fluid leaking all over.
Manual operation is a breeze with hte tool and a hex key wrench.
Within ten minutes of moving the top, the pressure is released if the cycle does not complete. If the cycle completes, the last thing that happens is that the pressure is released. If not, we'd all have fluid leaking all over.
Manual operation is a breeze with hte tool and a hex key wrench.
Last edited by pizzaguy; Mar 14, 2013 at 04:39 PM.